PLAN ASW Capability

Hendrik_2000

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If you want to built anything under the sea bed like cable laying etc you need this guy ROV(remotely operated vehicle) The west and Japan monopolized this ROV business Not sure if this fall under ITAR I bet it is But it is common in oil exploration and setting oil platform
But China is on the cusp of breaking this monopoly. It is not fancy but important Via JSCH from pakdef

China's ROV completes deep sea test
Source: Xinhua| 2017-09-30 22:14:55|Editor: Yang Yi


SHENYANG, Sept. 30 (Xinhua) -- China's first domestic remotely operated vehicle (ROV) that can dive into a depth of 6,000 meters under water completed Saturday its maid deep sea test.

During its 12-day test, the vehicle made seven dives to a maximum depth of 5,611 meters. The ROV also carried out benthic organism observations and collected organizism and rock samples.

The ROV was co-produced by the Shenyang Institute of Automation and the Institute of Oceanology, both under the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS).

It took two and a half years to make the vehicle, said Li Shuo, deputy director of the Shenyang Institute of Automation.

The ROV can be widely used in marine environmental and biodiversity investigation as well as marine mineral resources exploration.

China is now one of the few countries that can independently develop ROVs fit to operate in a depth of 6,000 meters, together with the United States, Japan and France.
 

Hendrik_2000

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You need this guy too Jialong is British built but this guy is domestic

China's new manned submersible completes deep sea testing
Source: Xinhua| 2017-10-03 14:51:36|Editor: Yang Yi


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Members of the test team of the manned submersible named Shenhai Yongshi, or deepsea warrior, on board the ship Tansuo-1 wait to arrive at port in Sanya, south China's Hainan Province, Oct. 3, 2017. China's new manned submersible, on board the ship Tansuo-1, returned to port in Sanya on Tuesday, after completing deep sea testing in the
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. The manned submersible named Shenhai Yongshi reached a depth of 4,500 meters to test its functions and performance during an over 50-day expedition. (Xinhua/Guo Cheng)

SANYA, Oct. 3 (Xinhua) -- China's new manned submersible, on board the ship Tansuo-1, returned to port in Sanya, Hainan Province on Tuesday, after completing deep sea testing in the
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The manned submersible named Shenhai Yongshi, or deepsea warrior, reached a depth of 4,500 meters to test its functions and performance during an over 50-day expedition.

Bai Chunli, president of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, said in a congratulatory letter that the deep sea tests show the new manned submersible performed well and is another achievement for China in developing deep sea manned submersibles.

The development of the submersible took eight years and involved over 90 Chinese organizations and companies. All of its core components were domestically made.

China's manned submersible
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completed its deepest dive reaching a point of 7,062 meters in the Mariana Trench in June 2012.

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Hendrik_2000

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The deepest section of SCS is 5000 m So they still has some distance to cover via JSCH

China Realizes Real-time Transmission of Deep-Sea Data in 3000-meter Depth
Jan 10, 2018

The research vessel "Kexue" has embarked its expedition in the Western Pacific since 26 November, 2017.

Chinese scientists recently announced that they had upgraded 8 sets of subsurface moorings to achieve "live transmission" of deep-sea data over the upper 1000-meter depth, and had realized real-time transmission of temperature, salinity, and three-dimensional velocity in 3000-meter depth, which was a new record.

Last year, they set out to overcome difficulties in the long-term transmission of real-time data from subsurface moorings, and succeeded in achieving real-time transmission of deep-sea data from one mooring for more than 280 days in a row, according to WANG Fan, senior scientist of Aoshan Talents Program of Qingdao National Laboratory for Marine Science and Technology (QDLM) and director of the Institute of Oceanology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences (IOCAS).

"Based on the previous work, real-time transmission of deep water data is being expanded towards the majority of the subsurface moorings in the CAS scientific observing network, and the depth range of real-time deep-sea data has been extended from 1000 to 3000 meters depth in this year." WANG said.

He added that the data could enhance capacity for exploring the deep ocean mysteries and for accelerating the establishment of marine climate forecast and disaster prevention and reduction system for China.

The CAS Scientific Observing Network in the Western Pacific is a key component of the "Two Oceans One Sea" observation system of QNLM. The construction of the real-time Scientific Observing Network in the Western Pacific has been supported by the Strategic Priority Research Program and Equipment Development Project of CAS, the Aoshan Science and Technology Innovation Plan and Wenhai Plan of QNLM.

"Kexue" will return to Qingdao in February 2018 after completing the scientific tasks for the maintenance and upgrade of observation network.

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Figure: Time series of real-time deep water (approximately 3147-meter depth) temperature, salinity, and current speed in the Western Pacific. (Image by IOCAS)
 

Hendrik_2000

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Now this is news seem like China ASW grew by leap and bound So deep seis no more sanctuary for submarine
Surveillance under the sea: how China is listening in near Guam

Acoustic sensors in waters near US military base in Western Pacific are ‘standard practice’ for monitoring submarine traffic, US analyst says
PUBLISHED : Monday, 22 January, 2018, 9:01pm
UPDATED : Monday, 22 January, 2018, 9:58pm
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China has planted powerful listening devices in two strategic seabeds deep in the waters near Guam, America’s biggest military base in the Western Pacific.

The cutting-edge acoustic sensors – some of which have a listening range of more than 1,000km – are being used for scientific research such as studying earthquakes, typhoons and whales, according to the Chinese government.

But security experts say the sensors can also track the movement of submarines in the South China Sea and intercept underwater signals between the submarines and their command base.

The high-end surveillance devices have been in operation since 2016, though the information was released by the Chinese Academy of Sciences only this month.

One of the acoustic sensors is located in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench – the deepest place on Earth at 10,916 metres beneath sea level – and another is near Yap, an island in the Federated States of Micronesia, the information revealed.

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The Challenger Deep and Yap are respectively about 300km and 500km southwest of Guam, between Guam and Palau.

Guam is home to the United States’ biggest military base in the Western Pacific and it is also an important resupply and maintenance centre for the submarines of other US naval forces in the Pacific region. Palau is one of the main entry points to the South China Sea for US naval vessels.

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Highly advanced sound detectors planted on the sea floor in the region might be able to detect submarines’ communication, according to a Chinese military expert who asked not to be named due to the sensitivity of the matter.

The content of the messages would be encrypted, but the signals could provide other useful information about the submarines, the expert said.

A US analyst said such a move was standard practice for big powers with strong navies.

“China has become a great power and is acting like one,” said James Lewis, senior vice-president at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

“All great powers put sensor arrays at the bottom of the ocean for anti-submarine warfare.”

According to the Chinese academy, which oversees the development and deployment of the acoustic sensors, the devices are attached to a long cable along the sea floor.

The cable is connected to a small buoy carrying satellite communication devices and supplying more than a year’s worth of battery power to the devices, which are small and consume very little power.

These Chinese deep-sea surveillance networks have survived the crushing pressure at the world’s greatest depths and picked up noises from sources over 1,000km away, according to the academy.

They are regularly maintained by Chinese research vessels, it added.

The eavesdropping instruments work by picking up sound waves, which can be used as military intelligence. The sound waves may include noises generated by submarines.

Submarines often generate low-frequency noises meant to travel across long distances. They also regularly beam acoustic signals to either satellite-linked buoys or cables on the sea floor to communicate and remain in contact with their bases.

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The US naval base in Guam hosts the Submarine Squadron 15, whose fleet comprises Los Angeles-class nuclear submarines including the USS Oklahoma, USS Chicago, USS Key West and USS Topeka.

From Guam, the fastest way for a submarine to reach the Spratly Islands, for instance, is to go through the Celebes Sea between Indonesia and the Philippines. The 3,500km journey would take less than four days for a nuclear-powered submarine.

The Spratly Islands are a contested chain of islands in the South China Sea and a potential flashpoint in territorial disputes.

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The US naval force on Guam is believed to have laid down communication lines on its submarines’ frequently used routes. The cables on the sea floor are connected to devices that can emit or receive sound waves, allowing submarines to stay in touch with the ground command without having to surface for satellite communication and risk exposure.

The US navy has also since 2008 developed a submarine communication system, Deep Siren, which allows subs to release an expendable buoy to the surface and use acoustic signals to send and receive messages from the deepest ocean floors. These signals are sent to a satellite controlled by the US National Security Agency and then integrated into its global information grid.

China’s underwater surveillance network can detect such communication as some of its sensors operate at depths similar to those of Deep Siren. The sensors have a maximum working depth of over 12,000 metres, which allows them to work effectively on even the deepest sea floors.

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“The deeper under the surface, the quieter the world becomes, and it allows us to concentrate on the signal we most want to hear,” said Zhu, who leads programmes on deep-sea surveillance and communication at the Chinese academy’s Institute of Acoustics.

He added there was an export embargo to China on sound detectors with operational depths beyond 1,000 metres. Such devices were difficult to produce as they required special materials and sophisticated technology to ensure they could continue collecting accurate information for long periods under extreme, high-pressure environments, he said.

For instance, beyond a depth of 10,000 metres, the pressure a sensor is subjected to is about 6,000kg – equivalent to the weight of an adult African elephant.

The sensors are also small and consume very little power. Zhu could not reveal further details of how the sensors are made due to the sensitivity of the matter, but said “it is a breakthrough for China”.

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Hendrik_2000

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According to the institute, the acoustic sensors in the underwater surveillance system are used to monitor sound waves generated by nature, such as typhoons and earthquakes for disaster warning purposes.

They have also been used in other ways such as on deep sea gliders and deployed in other sensitive waters like the South China Sea, the institute said.

The surveillance system includes other sensors, such as current meters and sondes that measure water turbulence, temperature and salinity.

Lewis, the US analyst, said water temperature, salinity and other factors affected the propagation of sound and were measured to improve detection of submarines.

Some sound frequencies travel great distances underwater, and advanced computing programmes can interpret them to locate a submarine even more than 800km away, he said.

“You want the sensor in deep water as it can pick up more and is less likely to be detected,” he said, adding that US sensors were mainly located around Russia to help detect their ballistic missile submarines.

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The Chinese academy’s release of information about China’s deep-sea surveillance network comes amid an increasing power play against the US for dominance over the Pacific Ocean.

China, the world’s second biggest economy, has been spending generously on military hardware upgrades to assert its growing global interest and influence.

Its increasing activities near Guam have drawn US attention. Scientists on board Chinese research vessels told the South China Morning Post that their operations near Guam had been going on in clear view of US spy planes but they continued with them, insisting they were operating in international waters.

But China’s activities in the area go further than listening devices. Last February, the academy’s Institute of Geology and Geophysics set off a series of man-made earthquakes on a sea floor of the Mariana Trench with powerful blasts. The first such experiment conducted in the region, it allowed China to obtain valuable information about the undersea terrain, the institute said.

Guam is part of the Second Island Chain, a military defence line built by the US during the cold war to prevent communist expansion into the Pacific Ocean.

According to Chinese scientists involved in these projects, one main purpose of Chinese operations near Guam and other regions in the Western Pacific is to break up the island chain and project Chinese naval power into the Pacific heartlands.
 

Hendrik_2000

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This is old news I have been following the progress of Chinese underwater surveillance in this thread
Those powerfull sensor that they are talking about probably SQUID
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China Has a Plan to Find the Navy's Submarines Deep in the Pacific
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January 29, 2018

Across vast stretches of the ocean, China is building a network of underwater sensors to detect submarines and strengthen its navy as the nation projects power further abroad.

The underwater surveillance network, which has already been deployed, uses a combination of buoys, unmanned submersibles, ships and satellites to gather data on the world’s waterways. The sensors seem innocuous, measuring water temperature, salinity, currents and oxygen levels, but this scientific data is critical for underwater military operations.

Submarines rely on sonar to discover, track, and attack targets, but the temperature and salinity of water determines how fast and in which direction sound waves travel. These factors must be taken into account when determining the position of enemy vessels as well as when navigating treacherous areas.

For decades, the U.S. Navy has been gathering this type of data around the world’s oceans, and in recent years has turned to unmanned gliders. In 2016 shortly after Trump was elected, China
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a U.S. glider operating in international waters in the South China Sea, sparking an international incident.


With the Trump administration growing more confrontational and the U.S. Navy
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its patrols in the disputed waters of the South China Sea, China has sought to rapidly improve its deep-sea data collection abilities.

Last year, China successfully
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a network of twelve underwater gliders that can travel for a month at a time. But unlike American gliders, the Chinese version is capable of transmitting data back in real-time. China has also set the record for the
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and longest dives with its underwater gliders.

“The military can use the temperature and salt-level data from the deep to build a complete, precise model of the physical ocean,”
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Yu Jiancheng, the lead scientist on China’s glider project.

“The model will help submarines to avoid dangerous areas and predict the occurrence of deathtrap currents, which might jeopardize a naval operation.”

In addition to gliders, China has also
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a communications network more than 1,300 feet below the surface of the western Pacific. The deep-sea sensors are continuously feeding data to satellites via solar-powered buoys. The collected information is then transmitted to three intelligence centers where it is analyzed.

In the event that Chinese submarines must stay hidden and cannot surface to receive data, they have been equipped with powerful algorithms that can predict water conditions based on the limited information collected from a vessel’s sensors.

The Chinese sensor network stretches from the first island chain to the east coast of Africa across the western Pacific and Indian Oceans. This area largely falls under trading routes that China hopes to dramatically expand with its Belt and Road Initiative.

But more than just protecting its trade interests, China’s increased maritime activity is aimed at deterring the U.S. Navy. And don't be fooled by self depreciating comment of chinese analyst. It is standard boiler plate

Earlier this month, China revealed that it has
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two advanced acoustic sensors in the deep ocean near Guam, the largest U.S. military base in the Western Pacific. In addition to scientific research, the powerful acoustic sensors can detect the movement of submarines in the South China Sea and could even intercept communications.


According to James Lewis, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, this sensor network is a sign of China’s growing might as a nation.

“China has become a great power and is acting like one,” Lewis
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the South China Morning Post. “All great powers put sensor arrays at the bottom of the ocean for anti-submarine warfare.”

But compared to the capabilities of the U.S. Navy, China still has a long way to go.

Yu Yongqiang, a senior scientist with the Institute of Atmospheric Physics who is helping to oversee the installation of China’s underwater sensor network,
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that while China has made significant strides in its offensive submarine capabilities, the nation still lags far behind the United States.

“We have made just a small step in a long march,” Yu said.
 

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This is old news I have been following the progress of Chinese underwater surveillance in this thread
Those powerfull sensor that they are talking about probably SQUID
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China Has a Plan to Find the Navy's Submarines Deep in the Pacific

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January 29, 2018

Across vast stretches of the ocean, China is building a network of underwater sensors to detect submarines and strengthen its navy as the nation projects power further abroad.

The underwater surveillance network, which has already been deployed, uses a combination of buoys, unmanned submersibles, ships and satellites to gather data on the world’s waterways. The sensors seem innocuous, measuring water temperature, salinity, currents and oxygen levels, but this scientific data is critical for underwater military operations.

Submarines rely on sonar to discover, track, and attack targets, but the temperature and salinity of water determines how fast and in which direction sound waves travel. These factors must be taken into account when determining the position of enemy vessels as well as when navigating treacherous areas.

For decades, the U.S. Navy has been gathering this type of data around the world’s oceans, and in recent years has turned to unmanned gliders. In 2016 shortly after Trump was elected, China
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a U.S. glider operating in international waters in the South China Sea, sparking an international incident.


With the Trump administration growing more confrontational and the U.S. Navy
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its patrols in the disputed waters of the South China Sea, China has sought to rapidly improve its deep-sea data collection abilities.

Last year, China successfully
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a network of twelve underwater gliders that can travel for a month at a time. But unlike American gliders, the Chinese version is capable of transmitting data back in real-time. China has also set the record for the
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and longest dives with its underwater gliders.

“The military can use the temperature and salt-level data from the deep to build a complete, precise model of the physical ocean,”
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Yu Jiancheng, the lead scientist on China’s glider project.

“The model will help submarines to avoid dangerous areas and predict the occurrence of deathtrap currents, which might jeopardize a naval operation.”

In addition to gliders, China has also
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a communications network more than 1,300 feet below the surface of the western Pacific. The deep-sea sensors are continuously feeding data to satellites via solar-powered buoys. The collected information is then transmitted to three intelligence centers where it is analyzed.

In the event that Chinese submarines must stay hidden and cannot surface to receive data, they have been equipped with powerful algorithms that can predict water conditions based on the limited information collected from a vessel’s sensors.

The Chinese sensor network stretches from the first island chain to the east coast of Africa across the western Pacific and Indian Oceans. This area largely falls under trading routes that China hopes to dramatically expand with its Belt and Road Initiative.

But more than just protecting its trade interests, China’s increased maritime activity is aimed at deterring the U.S. Navy. And don't be fooled by self depreciating comment of chinese analyst. It is standard boiler plate

Earlier this month, China revealed that it has
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two advanced acoustic sensors in the deep ocean near Guam, the largest U.S. military base in the Western Pacific. In addition to scientific research, the powerful acoustic sensors can detect the movement of submarines in the South China Sea and could even intercept communications.


According to James Lewis, senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, this sensor network is a sign of China’s growing might as a nation.

“China has become a great power and is acting like one,” Lewis
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the South China Morning Post. “All great powers put sensor arrays at the bottom of the ocean for anti-submarine warfare.”

But compared to the capabilities of the U.S. Navy, China still has a long way to go.

Yu Yongqiang, a senior scientist with the Institute of Atmospheric Physics who is helping to oversee the installation of China’s underwater sensor network,
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that while China has made significant strides in its offensive submarine capabilities, the nation still lags far behind the United States.

“We have made just a small step in a long march,” Yu said.
No, it's not SQUID. You seem to have already forgotten that SQUID currently only works over a very limited range and is not yet practical for a real world application. This was already discussed weeks ago and yet every time you try to suggest that SQUID is operational when some article talks about advanced sensors that China is deploying. It is not SQUID until some article comes out saying SQUID's range has been improved by at least an order of magnitude from its current 6km range. You understand what an order of magnitude is, right? This article is just talking about China's own version of SOSUS using conventional hydrophones.
 

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No, it's not SQUID. You seem to have already forgotten that SQUID currently only works over a very limited range and is not yet practical for a real world application. This was already discussed weeks ago and yet every time you try to suggest that SQUID is operational when some article talks about advanced sensors that China is deploying. It is not SQUID until some article comes out saying SQUID's range has been improved by at least an order of magnitude from its current 6km range. You understand what an order of magnitude is, right? This article is just talking about China's own version of SOSUS using conventional hydrophones.

That was the civilian side of it who knows what the military side of the research does It is anybody guess As I said before normally there are 2 branches of reserach one is civilian and the other is military There are many way to increase the range how about repeater they can put repeater the same like thye did with quantum communication of fiber laser
Who are you? so convinced that that is not SQUID insider inside the PLAN navy all you know is from reading article that I posted here. Anyway it DOES NOT REALLY MATTER THEY FACT IS NOW THEY WILL FIND OUT ANY SUBMARINE WITHIN RADIUS OF 1000KM
You are no expert of anything see your comment on the power of type 95 submarine I proof is beyond doubt that it required more than 30 MW. And you say what it need only 5 MW?
 
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That was the civilian side of it who knows what the military side of the research does It is anybody guess As I said before normally there are 2 branches of reserach one is civilian and the other is military There are many way to increase the range how about repeater they can put repeater the same like thye did with quantum communication of fiber laser
Who are you? so convinced that that is not SQUID insider inside the PLAN navy all you know is from reading article that I posted here. Anyway it DOES NOT REALLY MATTER THEY FACT IS NOW THEY WILL FIND OUT ANY SUBMARINE WITHIN RADIUS OF 1000KM
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I like to see evidence for something before I believe it. Fanbois like you don't need evidence, all you need is hope. You hope there is some kind of civilian/military difference for SQUID so that you can fantasize a "1000KM" detection range. I also would like to see them increase the range of SQUID to practical, useful levels. However, I don't subscribe to utter fantasy and I don't have massive IQ-reducing biases. I will believe SQUID is operationally deployed when someone other than a raving fanboi with literally nothing other than hope says it is. BTW, I peruse multiple military websites, and it is sheer arrogance to assume I get all my information from someone like you.

You are no expert of anything see your comment on the power of type 95 submarine I proof is beyond doubt that it required more than 30 MW. And you say what it need only 5 MW?
You need to either learn how to read English or learn how to debate with integrity. Where did I say the "095" needs only "5 MW"? Go ahead, link and quote. Or GTFO.
 
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