PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

Tam

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On the real version, maybe an ImIR seeker?


Most probably it is a datalink. Its located in the jet thruster stage so its not likely to be an ImIR which you should expect to be in the second stage rocket body.
 

by78

General
It ain’t a glib assumption!
There are a lot of layers of defense, a lot. And, not only long-range. How far offshore would PLAN surface and subsurface combatants be deployed, 250 km? Their armaments are intermediate (ashms) and short (torpedoes) ranged (relative to longer ranged >800 km alternatives). Flanker variants and H-6s, though “longer-ranged” carry short and intermediate-ranged ashms, as well. 500 km would be well within the ranges of weapons deployed on these platforms.

Though this image might be of one of the longer-ranged missiles, I stand by my assessment that during high-intensity combat, the deployment of major surface combatants within 500 km of a near-peer adversary’s coastline, particularly if defensive networks haven’t been thoroughly degraded, is very high-risk, and highly unlikely.

So, all that to say, yes, they for last case eventualities, I guess?

We are talking about a good chunk of Earth's surface area here. I don't care how many layers you have or how many surveillance assets you have to detect and track targets, you need that last layer of coastal defense just in case. In fact, that last layer is a very important deterrent. To say the coastal missiles are optional is to say that short-range defense is unnecessary because the adversary is unlikely to penetrate the long- and medium-range layers.
 

subotai1

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At this stage in the game, does anyone really expect adversarial warships to sail within 500 km of China’s coastline during any hostile action? I’m no naval tactician, but, it seems, to me, that several layers/levels of defense would have to have been defeated/neutralized in order to make this an even remotely viable deployment.
Absolutely they will. Fast attack submarines against port and shipping facilities, littoral craft, small assault parties will get in close.

Also, don't assume that this will happen on the mainland. If it comes to island warfare or occupying locations, these type of systems are exactly what is needed.
 

by78

General
Four YJ-12 missiles on a H-6.

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Tam

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They fit the ECM pods on the centerline pylon and the outerboard pylons right?
 

drowingfish

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Love the pic, but, the coastal-defense missile thing perplexes me.

At this stage in the game, does anyone really expect adversarial warships to sail within 500 km of China’s coastline during any hostile action? I’m no naval tactician, but, it seems, to me, that several layers/levels of defense would have to have been defeated/neutralized in order to make this an even remotely viable deployment.

Are these missiles deployed for that very purpose, as last case options? ‘cause as big and bad as the US Navy claims to be, I highly doubt they’re comin’ inside the First Island Chain, in the ECS, or as far as the Paracels, in the SCS, to conduct offensive operations. I know I wouldn’t try it.
if these missiles are deployed to Fujian they can cover the entire Taiwan Strait, that's a pretty valuable capability as it liberates air assets from having to conduct anti-surface missions.
 

james smith esq

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pretty sure 4 is going to be the standard load. if China equips 100 H-6K the number of missiles per craft isnt all that important. one wave of 10 H-6K is enough to destroy pretty much any navy other than USN.
You are most probably correct. I’ve seen one loaded with six of the subsonic long-range cruise-missiles, CJ-10 or YJ-100 I think (which are much lighter in weight), and it’s such a great picture. But I don’t think the outer most pylon is capable of handling the weight of YJ-12.
 

james smith esq

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if these missiles are deployed to Fujian they can cover the entire Taiwan Strait, that's a pretty valuable capability as it liberates air assets from having to conduct anti-surface missions.
I’m sure that’s true. However, and back to my unpopular opinion, I just don’t see any adversarial Navy deploying major surface vessels in such a constrained environment during high-intensity combat. With the absence of commercial-shipping due to ongoing combat, it’d be pretty easy to detect, track, and target any, and possibly, all surface vessels inside the strait.

I don’t know if Taiwan has vessels like the PLAN Type 022 that might be more difficult to get a bead on. But, even if they do, then coastal batteries might not be the most effective means with which to engage them.
 
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