These pics with range etc...SLBM?
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Hyperwarp
Captain
Ahhh, now I understand. Yes, I think it was 'vincent' who is casting doubt over the legitimacy of all these pics. We will have to wait and see. I personally think they are real. Remember these pics are from different presentations. The newer pics contain actual in-service missiles like YJ-12, YJ-18, etc.
Agree, for numbers on the others pics different not good.
But for this pic seems normaly it is a YJ-18 in more used by 093B, 052D
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Here is the latest on YJ 18 development started in 2000 It was first intended replacement for club BUT NO RE of club Instead it morphed into class of different missile Performance wise it double the range of club up to 500km and more lethal. It fired its engine while undersea. It is the most destructive of all Chinese missile New ground attack version as well as coastal defense version are under development. without doubt this is the most capable chinese missile.Presently deployed in type 52D,55 and Yuan class submarine as well as type 93B
What is known about the naval missile YJ-18 ...
BY
As a new generation of Chinese naval missile, the face of the YJ-18 has long been veiled and features kept secret. And yet, this is actually not just a model but a family of naval missiles with many variants, whose details are slowly beginning to emerge.
So what do we know concretely about the YJ-18 family, if we rely solely on reliable and institutional elements?
The story begins in the year 2000 when the Chinese navy, to address the new threats and support its strategy of high seas, has launched a program of pre-studies of "major context" with the arms manufacturers of the country.
Details are still not known during this pre-study phase, but as with most Chinese naval missiles, the new project has finally returned to the hands of the 3rd Academy of the Chinese aerospace group CASIC.
The name of YJ-12 and YJ-18 begins to appear in 2009 in some research papers.
And it is from 2009 that the name YJ-18, as well as that of YJ-12 representing a supersonic airborne missile, begin to appear in some research documents made public.
For example, those who speak of the development of a titanium joint of the wing, or the metallurgical method to manufacture the ultrafine aluminum alloy cell of the missile.
While many thought at that time that the Chinese navy is developing a new generation of anti-ship missile to renew the YJ-8 and its variants on surface ships , the "first" YJ-18 is actually a missile dedicated to attack submarines to replace the old YJ-82 and provide an alternative solution to the Russian-made 3M-54E Club (Kalibr), imported at the same time as the Project 636M Varshavyanka class submarines in 2004 .
It is therefore not surprising that we can find some similarities with the Russian missile on the YJ-18, such as two-speed flight - subsonic cruising and final supersonic attack - and the choice of resulting architecture that combines a disposable first-stage carrier and a rocket-propelled missile.
But can we already consider the YJ-18 as a replica of 3M-54E?
To date, there is no evidence of such a reverse engineering process of the Russian missile by CASIC engineers. On the one hand, according to , the Chinese missile is "shorter, lighter and double the range" compared to its Russian counterpart (which measures 8 , 22 meters long, 2,300 kg by weight and 220 km range), and secondly, the date of the YJ-18 project launch is earlier than the arrival of the Russian missile.
However, it can not be totally ruled out that the arrival of the latter could have contributed to Chinese development.
The basic version YJ-18
Anyway, we know at least the following things: the solid propellant booster of the YJ-18, to push the missile and its military load beyond the wall of its terminal limit, was tested in winter 2009 It is also known that more than 300 patents related to the project have been filed so far, and that the Type 039A / Type 039B diesel submarines started to develop this missile in 2013, so even for Chinese nuclear attack submarines.
A source close to the Chinese navy also speaks of a speed of attack "lower than Mach 2.7", so that of the YJ-12 , but this remains to be confirmed.
As for other performances of this submarine version of the YJ-18, the text of the newspaper cited above simply mentions a 360 ° missile coverage area that is "600 times larger" than that of the old missile Soum-Mer of the Chinese Navy, namely the YJ-82.
However, a missile launched from a submarine that has a 360 ° coverage can only be a vertical launch missile. The missile referred to in the article is, in fact, a variant known as YJ-18B .
Knowing now the range of YJ-82 which is 40 km, it is then possible to establish the following equation to find, approximately, the range of the YJ-18B, if one voluntarily ignores the minimum range of the two missiles:
The "coverage area" of YJ-18B is "600 times larger" than that of YJ-82 (Image: East Pendulum)
Knowing that in this equation the angle of the circular sector of the attack zone of YJ-82 is unknown, we have created a simulation based on the variation of this one to draw the YJ-18B possible range curve:
The estimated range of the vertical submarine YJ-18B missile (Image: East Pendulum)
The result of the simulation therefore suggests a range of between 400 and 500 km for the YJ-18B, corresponding to a scanning range of between 60 ° (± 30 °) and 90 ° (± 45 °) of the YJ-82. These data seem to be consistent with the speculated figures, namely a range of 500 km for the YJ-18 without specifying however the version.
Note that, according to the article by China Space News , the YJ-18B has broken several records of the Chinese navy, see "global" for an anti-ship missile. The text mentions the greater depth of the launch, a "record" altitude flying on sea, as well as the highest rate of destruction by a single missile in the history of the Chinese navy.
What is known about the naval missile YJ-18 ...
BY
As a new generation of Chinese naval missile, the face of the YJ-18 has long been veiled and features kept secret. And yet, this is actually not just a model but a family of naval missiles with many variants, whose details are slowly beginning to emerge.
So what do we know concretely about the YJ-18 family, if we rely solely on reliable and institutional elements?
The story begins in the year 2000 when the Chinese navy, to address the new threats and support its strategy of high seas, has launched a program of pre-studies of "major context" with the arms manufacturers of the country.
Details are still not known during this pre-study phase, but as with most Chinese naval missiles, the new project has finally returned to the hands of the 3rd Academy of the Chinese aerospace group CASIC.
The name of YJ-12 and YJ-18 begins to appear in 2009 in some research papers.
And it is from 2009 that the name YJ-18, as well as that of YJ-12 representing a supersonic airborne missile, begin to appear in some research documents made public.
For example, those who speak of the development of a titanium joint of the wing, or the metallurgical method to manufacture the ultrafine aluminum alloy cell of the missile.
While many thought at that time that the Chinese navy is developing a new generation of anti-ship missile to renew the YJ-8 and its variants on surface ships , the "first" YJ-18 is actually a missile dedicated to attack submarines to replace the old YJ-82 and provide an alternative solution to the Russian-made 3M-54E Club (Kalibr), imported at the same time as the Project 636M Varshavyanka class submarines in 2004 .
It is therefore not surprising that we can find some similarities with the Russian missile on the YJ-18, such as two-speed flight - subsonic cruising and final supersonic attack - and the choice of resulting architecture that combines a disposable first-stage carrier and a rocket-propelled missile.
But can we already consider the YJ-18 as a replica of 3M-54E?
To date, there is no evidence of such a reverse engineering process of the Russian missile by CASIC engineers. On the one hand, according to , the Chinese missile is "shorter, lighter and double the range" compared to its Russian counterpart (which measures 8 , 22 meters long, 2,300 kg by weight and 220 km range), and secondly, the date of the YJ-18 project launch is earlier than the arrival of the Russian missile.
However, it can not be totally ruled out that the arrival of the latter could have contributed to Chinese development.
The basic version YJ-18
Anyway, we know at least the following things: the solid propellant booster of the YJ-18, to push the missile and its military load beyond the wall of its terminal limit, was tested in winter 2009 It is also known that more than 300 patents related to the project have been filed so far, and that the Type 039A / Type 039B diesel submarines started to develop this missile in 2013, so even for Chinese nuclear attack submarines.
A source close to the Chinese navy also speaks of a speed of attack "lower than Mach 2.7", so that of the YJ-12 , but this remains to be confirmed.
As for other performances of this submarine version of the YJ-18, the text of the newspaper cited above simply mentions a 360 ° missile coverage area that is "600 times larger" than that of the old missile Soum-Mer of the Chinese Navy, namely the YJ-82.
However, a missile launched from a submarine that has a 360 ° coverage can only be a vertical launch missile. The missile referred to in the article is, in fact, a variant known as YJ-18B .
Knowing now the range of YJ-82 which is 40 km, it is then possible to establish the following equation to find, approximately, the range of the YJ-18B, if one voluntarily ignores the minimum range of the two missiles:
The "coverage area" of YJ-18B is "600 times larger" than that of YJ-82 (Image: East Pendulum)
Knowing that in this equation the angle of the circular sector of the attack zone of YJ-82 is unknown, we have created a simulation based on the variation of this one to draw the YJ-18B possible range curve:
The estimated range of the vertical submarine YJ-18B missile (Image: East Pendulum)
The result of the simulation therefore suggests a range of between 400 and 500 km for the YJ-18B, corresponding to a scanning range of between 60 ° (± 30 °) and 90 ° (± 45 °) of the YJ-82. These data seem to be consistent with the speculated figures, namely a range of 500 km for the YJ-18 without specifying however the version.
Note that, according to the article by China Space News , the YJ-18B has broken several records of the Chinese navy, see "global" for an anti-ship missile. The text mentions the greater depth of the launch, a "record" altitude flying on sea, as well as the highest rate of destruction by a single missile in the history of the Chinese navy.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
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It is also the first Chinese naval missile to light its engine underwater and able to control its trajectory before crossing the surface of the sea.
Chief Engineer YJ-18 Program (Photo: CASIC)
Apart from the two submarine versions, namely the YJ-18 basic launch horizontally from a torpedo tube and the YJ-18B from a vertical launch tube, a third variant intended for surface warships, the YJ-18A , also joined the ranks of the Chinese Navy.
The existence of this version was first revealed in a TV report from August 2015, in which we can see the missile, launched from one of the Chinese weapons test ships, hit a landing
barge serving as a target.
The first Chinese warships to have equipped this version of YJ-18 are the Type 052Ddestroyers , whose first copy was admitted to active duty in March 2014. The photo showing the launch of a YJ-18A from an elevator CCL ( Concentric Canister Launcher ) of the universal VLS of ship has been published recently in the official journal of the Chinese army.
The evidence indicates that of the 64 Type 052D silos, eight of them having a length of 9 meters (?) And standing in front of the superstructure are capable of harboring these anti-ship missiles.
Note that this YJ-18 version Sea-Sea team also the new destroyer Type 055 , but its number in remains to be determined.
Launching a YJ-12A from a Type 052D destroyer
In addition to these three anti-ship versions, the YJ-18 family will soon expand to see the arrival of a newborn - a naval cruise missile - to hit the ground targets.
If the Chinese navy is confined so far to remain "in its dimension", it will come the day it can project its firepower far behind the coast, thanks to the endowment of this new vector, without necessarily deploying its naval air forces embedded that are still under construction.
It will then become an interventionist army like the other naval powers of the world.
Finally, it is possible that a version of coastal defense, carried on a mobile vehicle and which will replace the YJ-62 of today, is also in development, but this remains to be confirmed.
Henri K.
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It is also the first Chinese naval missile to light its engine underwater and able to control its trajectory before crossing the surface of the sea.
Chief Engineer YJ-18 Program (Photo: CASIC)
Apart from the two submarine versions, namely the YJ-18 basic launch horizontally from a torpedo tube and the YJ-18B from a vertical launch tube, a third variant intended for surface warships, the YJ-18A , also joined the ranks of the Chinese Navy.
The existence of this version was first revealed in a TV report from August 2015, in which we can see the missile, launched from one of the Chinese weapons test ships, hit a landing
barge serving as a target.
The first Chinese warships to have equipped this version of YJ-18 are the Type 052Ddestroyers , whose first copy was admitted to active duty in March 2014. The photo showing the launch of a YJ-18A from an elevator CCL ( Concentric Canister Launcher ) of the universal VLS of ship has been published recently in the official journal of the Chinese army.
The evidence indicates that of the 64 Type 052D silos, eight of them having a length of 9 meters (?) And standing in front of the superstructure are capable of harboring these anti-ship missiles.
Note that this YJ-18 version Sea-Sea team also the new destroyer Type 055 , but its number in remains to be determined.
Launching a YJ-12A from a Type 052D destroyer
In addition to these three anti-ship versions, the YJ-18 family will soon expand to see the arrival of a newborn - a naval cruise missile - to hit the ground targets.
If the Chinese navy is confined so far to remain "in its dimension", it will come the day it can project its firepower far behind the coast, thanks to the endowment of this new vector, without necessarily deploying its naval air forces embedded that are still under construction.
It will then become an interventionist army like the other naval powers of the world.
Finally, it is possible that a version of coastal defense, carried on a mobile vehicle and which will replace the YJ-62 of today, is also in development, but this remains to be confirmed.
Henri K.
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All that says is it probably shares the same basic aerodynamics. Exterior appearance tells us nothing about the missile's construction, propulsion, and ordinance.
antiterror13
Brigadier
very true .. and the article was written by a respected guy who may know better than most of us here (me included
)It says that the YJ-18 is roughly half the weight of Klub and has much longer range ... so it can't be a replica ... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out
Most cars also look the same
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Desperate people look for excuses. When the J-20 was officially inducted into the military, I read a comment from a news article that said take away the canards and the J-20 looks exactly like the F-22.