PLAN Aircraft Carrier programme...(Closed)
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steve_rolfe
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Do we have a rough idea of how long the construction of this carrier has been upto this point?
It seems to of been built at quite an impressive rate. How does this compare to carriers of similar size that have been built by other nations?
Thanks.
It seems to of been built at quite an impressive rate. How does this compare to carriers of similar size that have been built by other nations?
Thanks.
Intrepid
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CVN 78 USS Ford: keel laying in Nov 2009, superlift of island in Jan 2013.
HMS Queen Elizabeth: keel laying in Jul 2009, superlift of fwd island in Mar 2013.
The Chinese are about twice as fast.
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It depends on how much you can spend. China doesn't have problems with that while all the other countries just do replacement jobs for the decomissioned carriers. So that's hard to compare it.
Simply put - no one aside from China works on the even similar grounds (like no one asking how much it costs, why can't the money be spent on the other fields) so any comparision is pointless. Once Chinese will stop their plans they will stop (like no carriers built for about 20 years or so). Otherwise they will send their carriers on the training to the Pacific from time to time with others coming and going from big Chinese bases because there's nothing else to do.
antiterror13
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I think they will do it and it will be launched this year .. I believe alot of work can be done after launching. Indian carrier was launched in a very bad shape and they did that
Blackstone
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Your statements are demonstrably false, as indicated by SIPRI's estimate that China spends about 2% of its GDP on defense. So, unless you honestly believe 2% of $11 trillion economy is unlimited spending, then you are simply wrong. For comparison, US spends about 3.3% of GDP for defense in 2015, Japan 1%, ROK 2.6%, Australia 1.9%, and India 2.3%. The world average is about 2.3% GDP for defense.
antiterror13
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@Blackstone ... which ones of my statements are false?
Yeah, sure... Then compared to it's counterparts Chinese would be merely 'pocket-carriers'. The costs of maintaining and providing for a fleet of aircraft carriers is none compared to a simple design and building one coming from the 30 years ago technology it seems. China is on the new wave and it takes considerable amount of money to keep it operating. None of the hardships are met by China yet (like inventing something new that doesn't work well). And it's not an easy task to work it out (because keeping a carrier in some remote African naval base is meaningless as it could be cut off from mainland easily). And money won't be coming the same way in the near future...
For now China doesn't have a single operational vessel of this class. And high tech? They will have to pay for it soon.
So what are talking about? Extrapolations from the start of this century?
He's saying that your claim about China being unable to pay for its carriers (or it's military overall) is false, because going by the high end estimates of its annual defence spending it is close to the international average in terms of % of GDP spent (it is actually even lower), and is far lower than the US defence expenditure as % of its GDP.
And frankly you're making a lot of other assumptions in your original post as well, like the idea that China will only have a couple of carriers for the next 20 years (!) and you seem to describe them as future white elephants with the purpose of political posturing than military capability.
If you want to discuss the future of the Chinese carrier programme then by all means do so, but jutting in right now with such poorly articulated negativity and skepticism just as such a milestone has been achieved in the construction of 001A only makes it seem like you're interested in trying to water down a nice moment of interest for everyone else, rather than any serious discussion.
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