Looks good in the photos..... BUT the real action photos of this Carrier and their aircraft on exercises would be fantastic Public Relations for the PLA-N, IF they are allowable/available.
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MwRYum
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Here is a photo of the Kuznetsov hangar full of Flankers. It seems to me that they just park (spot) the planes on the turn table.
Guess that's what make that diagram of hanger deck stuffed with planes makes sense now...but still, how practical of such arrangement? You really can't do major maintenance on planes that way.
FarkTypeSoldier
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Here is a photo of the Kuznetsov hangar full of Flankers. It seems to me that they just park (spot) the planes on the turn table.
Looks like a pack of canned sardines...
Some people seem to forget that not too long ago battleships had rotating turrets, and the turrets had masses up to 2000 tons (like in the Yamato class BBs).
Given the naval pedigree of armored, rotating structures, I am NOT surprised the Russians decided to use them in the Varyag-class.
Naval architects have long memories - many of the aircraft carrier designers of World War II had previously designed battleships and cruisers.
If something is useful why not take advantage of it.
A simple turntable that can handle 50+tons can be robustly designed and doesn't have to be that complicated (look under a lazy susan).
Just my 2 cents.
If there is a Major fire in the hanger is it possible to fight it, or will most if not all of the planes be lost? Are the outer elevator doors armoured?
I do not believe anyone has forgotten that. It's just that on aircraft carriers, space and weight are at a much greater premium. Typically, such apparatus have not been deemed necessary and were therefore not used.
No arguement there. Clearly, the Russians felt it useful, therefore they designed it into both of the vessels of the Kuznetsov class carriers. The Kuznetsov and the Varyag, which has become the Liaoning.
I do not think the issue is so much regarding its complexity...though I may have used that term. The issue is simply that it is additional heavy equipment where none had been deemed necessary before. I understand all of the issues about the size of the hanger on these vessels and the size of the SU-33/J-15, but I also believe they could, with training and appropriate SOPs, transit in and out of the hanger wthout a turntable.
Clearly the Russians felt it was much easier and time saving with the turntable, and it probably is...therefore they have it. And by extensions, the Chinese got it, and when they looked at the dimensions, and the pros and cons, they determined it was worthwhile fpor their operations and so they refurbished them along with the other equipment.
Good for them...I am sure they will get a lot of use out of it as they move aircraft in and out of the hanger, and as non_name indicated, if it breaks down, then they will just manuever in and out of the hanger without it.
If there's any similarity with USN ships there should be firefighting equipment in the hangar including sprinklers with the latest firefighting agents. Also all those that work in the hangar should be trained in firefighting and damage control..
All USN sailors are trained fire fighters. Not sure about the Russians.
kwaigonegin
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hmmm if a fire is on board you have NO choice BUT to fight it. Either that or you abandon ship or die. Simple as that. If there is a fire inside the hanger then it's even more serious because of the planes, and possibly ordnance not to mention in a more confined and enclosed space than on the flight deck.
I am sure EVERY sailor in the world in any half way decent navy in the world are trained to fight fires. Heck they even teach you to fight fire right from the start in bootcamp!!
In USN bootcamp at Great Lakes they now have this fancy $60 million mock up of an AB destroyer call USS Trayer where young recruits are taught to fight fires and other exercises before they can graduate.
There is nothing more dangerous than fire aboard a ship which if you think about it is ironic because it's surround by water everywhere but that' probably it .. in a ship there is no where to run.
joshuatree
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I think the issue of weight for the turntable and accompanying machinery is overblown. While we don't know how much weight or space it takes up, let's not forget this is offset by not having the 12 P700 Granit missile and accompanying hardware from the original design.
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