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Intrepid

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Also bonus points if someone can tell me why islands are on starboard and not port!.. and no cheating (googling)
At least one japanese carrier had its island on the port side. So a right hand island is no rule.

Pilots normaly allign their aircraft for landing on the left border of the runway, they turn left befor landing and turn left after take off. An observer on the carrier has a better view, when his "tower" is on the right side of the runway. I think, that is the reason.
 

delft

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There are only so much differences in a carrier design. For the most part ALL full deck carriers look similar. You'll have an angled deck, an island on the starboard side and elevators on the sides and defensive weapons on the sponsons.
I'm no oracle but I can almost guarantee you that PLAN's next full deck carrier will look quite similar to the USN's carriers.
The only difference is in terms of displacement and size. Will it be closer to the CdG or will it be more like the Forrestal class?
The new British flattop class is rather different but I expect us all to agree in a few years time that is an aberration.
 
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kwaigonegin

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The new British flattop class is rather different but I expect us all to agree in a few years time that is an aberration.
Delft wins lol ... Yes, that is the correct answer. You want the aircraft to veer away from the island in case of something goes wrong during landing not toward the island!
As to the QE 2 yes it's an aberration of design with 2 islands etc but that's only because it doesn't have an angle deck. I'm quite positive plan's indigenous flat carrier carrier will be one with an angled deck and single island.
 

Pmichael

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The Queen Elizabeth-class can rely on American carriers for any blue water operations, so they can get away with several limitations like ski-jump and F-35B aircraft.

Another Kuznetsov tier carrier or something like the QE wouldn't really increase the capacities of the Chinese navy within or even outside of the first island chain. So an angled deck with a modern catapult system should be most important key features of a Chinese carrier.
 

Blitzo

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The Queen Elizabeth-class can rely on American carriers for any blue water operations, so they can get away with several limitations like ski-jump and F-35B aircraft.

Another Kuznetsov tier carrier or something like the QE wouldn't really increase the capacities of the Chinese navy within or even outside of the first island chain. So an angled deck with a modern catapult system should be most important key features of a Chinese carrier.

I strongly disagree.

I assume your statement is reflective of the idea that fighters launched from ski jumps are unable to carry heavy loads, but that's a position which I've disputed quite a few times. But even assuming MTOW is reduced in a ski jump compared to a catapult launch, in the case of Liaoning, they'll still be launching a very large plane with a respectable range, endurance, and payload.

Against medium tier navies, J-15s from ski jumps should be able to conduct relatively long range anti shipping missions with at least a pair of YJ-83Ks and SRAAMs. If the opposing force does not have any meaningful air defence ships, then such a strike package could be very useful.
Against a CSG or SAG of a high tier navy like the USN, it would make sense for the fighters of a PLAN CSG to do the combat air patrol mission instead of strike missions given the formidable air defence capabilities of opposing aegis ships and the limitations of a carrier based naval strike sorties in general. Combat air patrol allows you to try and engage enemy fighters to whittle down their numbers or at least force them to ditch their strike payloads, all at a long range beyond which your naval task force's SAMs can reach. Within the first island chain and especially beyond, land based air power cannot provide anywhere near the persistent fighter coverage of a naval task force that a carrier can.

What a catapult provides is the ability to launch fighters of heavier loads consistently under a variety of situations, and more importantly, is the ability to launch fixed wing AEW, which a ski jump carrier cannot reliably do. Organic fixed wing AEW I think is an essential capability future PLAN taskforces need to acquire, so therefore catapults are also something which is essential as well -- but it is also incorrect to say that a ski jump carrier doesn't offer anything to the PLAN.

Consider, hypothetically, if a J-15 launched from a STOBAR carrier is only able to attain 75% of its MTOW compared to if it were launched from a CATOBAR carrier, that is still a plane able to do a variety of missions with a variety of loadouts. Hell, even if it were only 50%, it would still be a useful if not invaluable capability to a naval taskforce compared to a naval taskforce without a carrier.
 

delft

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When you built your EM cat into your ski ramp you win quite a lot of deck real estate compared with a straight EM cat as the speed at which you deliver your aircraft at the end of the cat can be about half of that of the straight alternative, whether fighter or turbo-prop.
 

Ultra

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Also bonus points if someone can tell me why islands are on starboard and not port!.. and no cheating (googling)

Delft wins lol ... Yes, that is the correct answer. You want the aircraft to veer away from the island in case of something goes wrong during landing not toward the island!

I thought the correct answer has to do with ergonomics - In the event the pilot has to make an emergency maneuver, it's easier to push the control stick to the left (towards the sea) than to pull to the right (towards the island tower). Try it yourself - you can't twist your wrist to the left easily compare to swing to the right (assuming you are right-handed). This is especially true in more ergonomically designed jets (such as F-16, F-22) where the control stick is to the right (side-stick).
 
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