plaaf radars

some infos on different plaaf radars:
First, for the radar of F-8IIM. Actually I'm a little confused about whether this spec is for KLJ-1 or Zhuk-8II (Edit: it's for Zhuk-8II)

vs 3 m^2 targets
look-up/head on track range: 75 KM
tail on track range: 45 KM
can track up to 10 targets and engage multiple

Not, plaaf, but for the infamous Bars radar, N-011M.
can pick up AWACS at 400KM, land targets at 200KM.
vs 2 m^2 targets
head on track range: 80 to 100 KM
tail on track range: 30 to 40 KM
Can track up to 15 and engage 4 to 6 targets

SY-80 for J-7s


F-22 APG-77
vs 3m^2 targets, detection range is 200KM
can track/engage 30 targets at the same time (it said engage, but I think track is more like it since F-22 can only carry 8 AAMs).
and track 16 land targets at the same time

are u forgeting the kjl-1s and n0001's?

kjl-1 has 130 km detect, 90 km attack, can engage two targets. the traking ability iis unknown

the su-27 nooo1e has 240 km detect, 100 engage, and 10 taget trak
the su-30 n0001e has 110 km detect and attack and 10 target track

china really needs better radars though. GET BARS!!!

MIGleader said:

are u forgeting the kjl-1s and n0001's?

kjl-1 has 130 km detect, 90 km attack, can engage two targets. the traking ability iis unknown

the su-27 nooo1e has 240 km detect, 100 engage, and 10 taget trak
the su-30 n0001e has 110 km detect and attack and 10 target track

china really needs better radars though. GET BARS!!!

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su-27/su-30 stats are quite well known. I need to get the klj stats though, they are impossible to find. I mean the official ones. I don't think they have ever been published.

a little bit on klj3

另一种说法称其为1473（KLJ-3）雷达。据说它是南京的14所在ZHUK-M的基础上研制的无源相控阵雷达。但更多的消息称它是一台脉冲多普勒雷达。有数据来源称，俄罗斯在97年的北京航展上公开了它的性能数据，对RCM=3平方米的目标搜索距离为140公里，可以同时跟踪15个目标并攻击其中威胁最大的4个目标。但据我手头的资料，98年的珠海航展展出了一款被称为“国产机载多目标火控系统â€的新型雷达，最多可跟踪15个目标，最多可攻击4~6个目标，最大探测距离104公里，末制导雷达跟踪距离20公里。由于苏-27和歼-8的改进都确定采用进口雷达，这台雷达很显然就是装备歼-10的新型火控雷达，至于数据，个人倾向于采用后者，当年的《兵器知识》也登载了这些数据。当然时隔数年，性能有所提升也是理所当然的事情。另据消息，目前14所正全力研制新型有源相控阵雷达，但限于造价，未来很有可能只安装在部分歼-10上。

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basically, it's based on Zhuk-M. Could be phased array or multi-mode PD radar. In 1997's Beijing aviation show, it was shown to have 140 KM search range again 3m^2 target and can track 15 targets and attack 4. In 98's Zhuhai show, the broshure contained a radar with forward detection range of 104 KM (against 3 m^2, since that's the custom Chinese measuring criteria), can track 15 targets and attack 4 to 6 targets. Note, KLJ-3 has upgraded since (most recently in 200), so if the above is true, then KLJ-3 should be at least a slotted array radar that tracks 15, attacks 4 to 6 and has head on detection range of 104 KM vs 3 m^2 targets.

The number 150KM has been mentionned as a search distance of KLJ-3 by JDW. So, it does seem likely, the range for detection also increased by about 8-10%. I would say it's probably 15/6 and 115KM head on detection vs 3 m^2 targets.

If we use the RCS formula,
That would mean 115 * 1.137 = 130 KM vs 5 m^2 targets. Also that would be 115 / 1.317 = 87 KM vs 1 m^2 targets.

why only 105 km? the su-27 radar can handle 240 km!!!
the chinese can do better than that. the el-2035 is better!
4-6 target engage ment wit 130 km range.

why don't you take some EECS classes before talking? You don't just pull out a 200 km detection range against a 2 m^2 target out of no where.

vincelee said:

why don't you take some EECS classes before talking? You don't just pull out a 200 km detection range against a 2 m^2 target out of no where.

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well, im not talking out of my ass. tis is from sinodefence.

you are wrong big time. 130 KM vs 5 m^2 targets in terms of frontal detection is quite good compared to the other radars we have. According to sinodefense for su-27sk:
The aircraft is equipped with a NIIP Tikhomirov N001E Myech coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down/shoot-down capability. The radar has a maximum search range of 240km, and a target engagment range of 80~100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and proritisation.

So, that's only 80-100 KM vs 5 m^2 for frontal detection. The search detection given is probably for AWACS and transports. You know, really large targets.

For su-30mkk:
N001VE - 110 vs 3 m^2 for frontal detection, I think KLJ-3 probably does better than this right now. Although, I think this is rubbish. If you check Kanwa:
However, in elevation, ZHUK-MSE and H001VE are greater than BARS. BARS' head-on search range for 5m2 targets in the air is 120-140km, 90-110km for SU30MKK/H001VE. ZHUK-MSE's look-up range is 150km, look-down range 140km

on JL-10A, the radar equipped on JH-7A:


空军版JH7A删去了翼刀﹐拥有11个挂架 ﹐在1998年珠海航空展上﹐西安飞机公司的消息来源声称改良之后的JH7A将配备JL10A多功能火控雷达﹐雷达上视搜索距离达到80公里﹐下视搜索距离54 公里﹐JL10A由607 研究所研制﹐X波段﹐具有11 种工作模式﹐可以同时跟踪4个空中目标。上视跟踪距离40公里﹐下视跟踪距离 32公里。607所还为JH7A研制了Blue-Sky低空导航吊仓。Blue-Sky的地形追踪间隙高度60-400米﹐地形追踪雷达探测距离15公里 ﹐前视红外探测距离10公里﹐重量200公斤﹐

JL-10A - look up detection 80 KM, look down 54 KM, using x band, 11 mode, can track 4? targets (I think it's engage). I'm pretty sure I remembered reading something it can track 10/engage 4 before or something like that. Anyhow, look behind, up detection is 40 KM, down detection is 32 km.

Also uses 607 developed blue-sky pod, which follows terrain 60 to 400 m high? not sure what else it's saying.

tphuang said:

you are wrong big time. 130 KM vs 5 m^2 targets in terms of frontal detection is quite good compared to the other radars we have. According to sinodefense for su-27sk:
The aircraft is equipped with a NIIP Tikhomirov N001E Myech coherent pulse Doppler radar with track-while-scan and look-down/shoot-down capability. The radar has a maximum search range of 240km, and a target engagment range of 80~100km in the forward hemisphere and 40km in the rear hemisphere. The radar has the capacity to search, detect and track up to ten targets with automatic threat assessment and proritisation.

So, that's only 80-100 KM vs 5 m^2 for frontal detection. The search detection given is probably for AWACS and transports. You know, really large targets.

For su-30mkk:
N001VE - 110 vs 3 m^2 for frontal detection, I think KLJ-3 probably does better than this right now. Although, I think this is rubbish. If you check Kanwa:

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However, in elevation, ZHUK-MSE and H001VE are greater than BARS. BARS' head-on search range for 5m2 targets in the air is 120-140km, 90-110km for SU30MKK/H001VE. ZHUK-MSE's look-up range is 150km, look-down range 140km

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i said the chinese can do better than that, not have better than that.
try the zhuk ph or other su-35 radars. their great.