PLA strike strategies in westpac HIC

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AndrewS

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4Tran said:
TK3600's point is that China can't be crppled by a conventional missile attack!
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In that case, Ukraine still isn't a good example.

Ukraine's electricity network is still operating because Russia and Ukraine have an informal "agreement" not to attack each others energy infrastructure.

But if Russia was to disregard this agreement, Ukraine's electricity grid would have collapsed long ago.
 
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Brainsuker

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
You know nothing about modern military system and hardware, just shut up already. How many of those missiles could actually penetrate Chinese AD? Zero. Subsonic cruise missiles and short range missiles are useless for the US. Only high end missiles of the maneuvering hypersonic variety will be able to even reach the coast.
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LOL, are you serious? Tell that to Israel AD. With Iron Dome, David Sling, Patriots, Thaad, etc, it still not Zero. I think it is you who just shut up already. Now I start to questioning if you really know about war or not. There is a legit example in real war, and you still fantasizing that China's AD has the power of mythical Taoism gods in classical religious novels.

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You're contradicting yourself here.

If China can bomb Japan/Philippines/etc into the stone ages, it means all the military bases have been destroyed and they are presumably under air-sea blockade.

Therefore, how can the US use the territory of Japan/Philippines/etc to hit China??
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Thanks for correcting me this. Yes, that was a hyperbole statement. But also a statement, that with destroying those countries into stone age, and China war militarily against them, China still lose, and US is winning. Because when China manages to do that, the China mainland also not unscathed. Specially when China high tech industries in Shenzhen, Shanghai, and other eastern shore area already got bombarded. China may survive, but they lose in the geopolitics war against US.

It is the same as the principle of Sun Tzu art of war.
 
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bebops

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Israel has 5-6 layers of defense included US warships and countries like Saudi and Jordon helped shooting down Iran's missile. Some missiles still got through

The best defense is offense. Offense is much easier than Defense in a war. Make your opponent waste all their antimissiles.
 
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tonyget

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bebops said:
Israel has 5-6 layers of defense included US warships and countries like Saudi and Jordon helped shooting down Iran's missile. Some missiles still got through

The best defense is offense. Offense is much easier than Defense in a war. Make your opponent waste all their antimissiles.
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That's true. Air defence in long run is fool's game，because it's costs multiple times to intercept a missile than the incoming missile. So it cannot sustain in a long run.
 
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Almond98

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Brainsuker said:
Thanks for correcting me this. Yes, that was a hyperbole statement. But also a statement, that with destroying those countries into stone age, and China war militarily against them, China still lose, and US is winning. Because when China manages to do that, the China mainland also not unscathed. Specially when China high tech industries in Shenzhen, Shanghai, and other eastern shore area already got bombarded. China may survive, but they lose in the geopolitics war against US.
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I just want to say any damage on china economy is going to affect on america economy too. That said america is not going to win just because their city didn't get bombarded. If Taiwan is captured then america is going to lose its asian allies. If they side with china then it's a big trouble for america. So if we think about long term whoever win this war is going to dominate 21st century. At least that's what I believe.
 
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Michaelsinodef

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Brainsuker said:
LOL, are you serious? Tell that to Israel AD. With Iron Dome, David Sling, Patriots, Thaad, etc, it still not Zero. I think it is you who just shut up already. Now I start to questioning if you really know about war or not. There is a legit example in real war, and you still fantasizing that China's AD has the power of mythical Taoism gods in classical religious novels.



Thanks for correcting me this. Yes, that was a hyperbole statement. But also a statement, that with destroying those countries into stone age, and China war militarily against them, China still lose, and US is winning. Because when China manages to do that, the China mainland also not unscathed. Specially when China high tech industries in Shenzhen, Shanghai, and other eastern shore area already got bombarded. China may survive, but they lose in the geopolitics war against US.

It is the same as the principle of Sun Tzu art of war.
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OK, then does US have non nuclear BMs like Iran?

Cuz currently, with their subsonic shit, the chance of penetration is very, very low against the PLAs air defense.

You should probably try and dig a bit in some of patchwork posts where he actually does some calculations on how pitiful the attack US could do on China.

PLA strike strategies in westpac HIC

Here is the full interview of Adm. Sam Paparo, the US Indopac forces chief. It was a Brookings Institutions event. Starting at 50:00, he talks about US’ limited air and sea superiority in a potential conflict with China. But later, in answering a question of Singapore’s ambassador to US, he...
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For context, subsonic missiles are basically 2 huge generations behind. 1 gen ago was supersonic. Now we are in the hypersonic era. It's laughable for anyone to think that subsonic munitions will be of any use against China. That's like pitting 4th gen fighters against 6th gen fighters.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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FriedRiceNSpice said:
You know nothing about modern military system and hardware, just shut up already. How many of those missiles could actually penetrate Chinese AD? Zero. Subsonic cruise missiles and short range missiles are useless for the US. Only high end missiles of the maneuvering hypersonic variety will be able to even reach the coast.
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China's AD is extremely weak in terms of numbers compared to US and Russia. They have just 290 total HQ-9 launchers including both HQ-9 which is similar to s-300 level and more modern HQ-9B.

There will be huge gaps in China's AD due to its total land area. There will be lots of gaps that US missiles can exploit. Unless China rapidly boosts its AD numbers, their industry will still experience lots of damage.
 
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tamsen_ikard said:
China's AD is extremely weak in terms of numbers compared to US and Russia. They have just 290 total HQ-9 launchers including both HQ-9 which is similar to s-300 level and more modern HQ-9B.

There will be huge gaps in China's AD due to its total land area. There will be lots of gaps that US missiles can exploit. Unless China rapidly boosts its AD numbers, their industry will still experience lots of damage.
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China is not Russia. Her doctrine is similar to the US who relies on the airforce for air defence.
 
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gelgoog

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Russia's doctrine also uses aircraft for air defense. It's the whole reason why the MiG-31 was developed. The Su-35 and Su-30 are also connected to the IADS.
The main issue probably is that historically the Soviets had separate air defense branches. One was on mobile tracked vehicles to cover the advancing army, and another was wheeled to cover fixed strategic sites.
For example the army has the Tor while the air defense force has the Pantsir. The army has the Buk-M3 and the air defense force has the S-350. The army has the S-300V4 and the air defense force the S-400/500.
 
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