PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

latenlazy

Brigadier
Not so. In fact, the fact that I can chat with you on this forum right now would not be possible without American computer hardware and software services obtained through trade.
China may completely rid itself of this kind of foreign dependency in 5~10 years, but not now.
Not like if China were cut off today you wouldn’t be able to chat with people on forums. There are Chinese alternatives for all that now.
 

BasilicaLew

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I think it would be a huge sign of incompetence if Zhongnanhai didn't consider the possibility of American insanity.

Obviously there should be an emphasis on breaking nuclear MAD...and to do it quickly and quietly. But failing that, China should guarantee in a nuclear exchange that North America and Europe are uninhabitable, and that there are not enough breeding pairs to sustain a viable genetic base to rebuild civilization there. At the same time, Zhongnanhai needs to make sure that it will be the Chinese that will rise from the ashes first.

Obviously, bioengineering and large scale infrastructure production will be key. Critically, there also needs to exist the will to end the Anglos, and I'm not talking metaphorically.
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PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

Really need nazi race science to survive a nuclear war? your making this thread sound like some american neo nazis that wanted to nuke the world to save the white race!
 

Puss in Boots

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Not so. In fact, the fact that I can chat with you on this forum right now would not be possible without American computer hardware and software services obtained through trade.
China may completely rid itself of this kind of foreign dependency in 5~10 years, but not now.
Do you remember the global outage caused by a Microsoft update error earlier this year? Coincidentally, China was barely affected.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Why do you think China is increasing her nuclear arsenal?

More importantly, China is seriously investing in ABM defence.

Right now the game is still deterrence, but at the rate China is going, it would surprise many even here how quickly China could build the foundations for being able to break MAD and actually have winning an all out nuclear exchange as an actual achievable and realistic outcome.
 

enroger

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More importantly, China is seriously investing in ABM defence.

Right now the game is still deterrence, but at the rate China is going, it would surprise many even here how quickly China could build the foundations for being able to break MAD and actually have winning an all out nuclear exchange as an actual achievable and realistic outcome.

I'm not sure about that.... In the context of ICBM, defense is so much more expensive than offense, the math doesn't work out.

I think China will increase nuclear arsenal to match the US, making sure of overwhelmingly credible MAD.
 

Puss in Boots

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I'm not sure about that.... In the context of ICBM, defense is so much more expensive than offense, the math doesn't work out.

I think China will increase nuclear arsenal to match the US, making sure of overwhelmingly credible MAD.
A nuclear arsenal that ensures mutual destruction is sufficient; having more is meaningless and would waste excessive resources on nuclear weapon maintenance. Russia currently spends over half of its military budget on nuclear weapon maintenance, contributing to its slow military development.
Thus, after ensuring the ability to achieve mutual destruction, the focus should be on building a comprehensive ballistic missile defense system. This will ensure your invincibility.
 

plawolf

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I'm not sure about that.... In the context of ICBM, defense is so much more expensive than offense, the math doesn't work out.

I think China will increase nuclear arsenal to match the US, making sure of overwhelmingly credible MAD.

ABM interceptors are expensive, but not even a rounding error compared to the value of the cities they can save. Not to mention the human lives they will save.

Chinese manufacturing capabilities are orders of magnitude greater than America’s overall. If an all out arms race breaks out, I would not bet against China being able to outbuild American ICBMs dozens or even hundreds to one with interceptors. Especially not with the way the Sentinel programme has been performing thus far.

Besides, the key to breaking MAD isn’t about Golden Dome, but rather with Star Wars space based sensors and weapons networks. It’s far easier to shoot ICBMs from above as they are ascending then trying to shoot them down from below as they are descended.

Both sides are quietly but steadily gearing up all the building blocks for Star Wars. But neither side as yet want to trigger the space arms race by openly deploying weapons in space. But both are preparing for it by massively expanding their launch capability so that when the day comes, they can launch their network faster than the other side and win the key initiative. But is a waste of time to gain the first mover advantage in orbit if you are not prepare to use that to proactively prevent opfor from getting their own network up. As otherwise they will just put their own network up in response and level the playing field again.

Start Wars is basically an endgame move where you present your opponent with a serious use it or lose it dilemma with regards to their nuclear strike capabilities if it looks like you are able to make it a reality. It’s going way beyond achieving MAD and showing the other side you are not interested in a stalemate and wants to go for all the marbles. You don’t make that move unless you are prepared to glass the other side from coast to coast. We are not there yet, but we are heading that way awfully rapidly.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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No, dude, think about the core meaning of the economy. When all civility and artificial institutions are done away with, what is it? It's a matter of producing goods to sustain and embellish the lives of your citizens. Money has no intrinsic value. Selling your goods for their money is only meaningful if you use that money of theirs to buy their things for your own use. The main thing that China buys from the West is technology. The equation used to balance as China trading everyday goods like toys, washing machines, etc... for high tech goods like cars, planes, industrial robots, etc... As their technology slips and ours overtakes, we need that import less and less but they need our exports more and more, expanding to the things we used to need them for. Now they still need us for their toys and kitchen appliances and easy bullshit but now they also need us for our EV cars, computer chips, cellphones, industrial robots, etc... What do we need from them? Barely anything and waning. So if we don't want anything from them, what are we selling them things for? Just their money? It's just decorative paper! That equation no longer balances. Our citizens are working to give them better lives, trading for freely-printed decorative paper and these whiney little bitches are complaining that we're being unfair to them! Cut the relationship! Chinese can enjoy what we make; they can cover themselves in money they print. See who's better off.

This doesn't apply to countries in the global south where we can get raw materials from in trade for our manufactured goods. We can sell for their currency to buy their resources and they can sell for the RMB for things that modernize and enhance their lives. Win-win.

OK cool, so I guess in the end, America just have to accept defeat or we can all nuke out and start over. America's biggest advantage was a higher starting point than China. We all know who moves faster. So I'm cool with starting on the same line as them any day. If their will for dominance is iron than our will to break it is steel.
If everyone will be nuked back to the middle ages, just remember what China looked like in 600-1400 vs North America or Northern Europe.

North America is quite resource poor for things that can be extracted without industrial technology. Great Plains aquifers require motorized pumps. Most of their minerals require deep mining. Cold winters constrict the growing season and require huge effort in keeping warm. Much of the US has a climate like Mongolia.

China in contrast was always one of the richest countries in the world pre-industry. The soil and the weather naturally grows vast forests and fields and people only need light clothing. In the bronze age, there were even elephants in China up to the Yellow River, that's how rich it was.
 

Heresy

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PLA Strategy in a Taiwan Contingency

Really need nazi race science to survive a nuclear war? your making this thread sound like some american neo nazis that wanted to nuke the world to save the white race!

Do you deny that there is a non-zero percentage probability that the Americans would decide to throw the dice with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons if they sense they are in a potential lose-it or use-it scenario? Do you not think that the Chinese should be prepared for this?

It's not the Chinese that are interested in wiping out the Anglos; rather it's quite clear that the Anglos are saying that they can not co-exist peacefully with an ascendant, or even dominant China. To that I (and I hope Zhongnanhai) says, "Very well. So be it."
 
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