PLA Strategies In The Indian Ocean And The Malacca And Sunda Straits


tphuang

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Chinese government can’t prevent emigration.
They can stop student exchange programs, reduce amount of flights between the 2 countries, discourage leisure travel to Singapore, significantly reduce money exchange between RMB and SGD. There are a lot of things they can do to make Singapore a truly undesirable place for mainlanders to immigrate to.

Keep in mind that during COVID time, a lot of mainlanders in Singapore went home, because they thought Chinese gov't had it more under control. The mainlanders or even the Chinese Malaysians that moved to Singapore are not bound to stay there.
 

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They can stop student exchange programs, reduce amount of flights between the 2 countries, discourage leisure travel to Singapore, significantly reduce money exchange between RMB and SGD. There are a lot of things they can do to make Singapore a truly undesirable place for mainlanders to immigrate to.

Keep in mind that during COVID time, a lot of mainlanders in Singapore went home, because they thought Chinese gov't had it more under control. The mainlanders or even the Chinese Malaysians that moved to Singapore are not bound to stay there.

I disagree.

The more mainland Chinese move to Singapore, the more friendly Singapore will become to China.
 

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Maybe, Singapore is too small to matter much. Frankly, I don't see ASEAN as a grand catch but given its geographical and racial proximity to China, maybe a friendly or benign ASEAN is understandably more beneficial than an ASEAN infested with Western military outposts.
 

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Well, Pew Research did their survey of opinions on China. Not a surprise that all the Western countries + Japan/Korea generally saw higher negative views of China with COVID and support for Russia compared to previous years. Although, the jump in some of these negative ratings is not good.

anyhow, only 2 ASEAN countries were surveyed here and both Singapore/Malaysia had positive views of China. I wish these numbers were even higher, but this has to be the region that China focuses on going forward. It's where the economic activity is and all the economic growth are coming from. China also has far greater cultural link here than anywhere else.
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Well, Pew Research did their survey of opinions on China. Not a surprise that all the Western countries + Japan/Korea generally saw higher negative views of China with COVID and support for Russia compared to previous years. Although, the jump in some of these negative ratings is not good.

anyhow, only 2 ASEAN countries were surveyed here and both Singapore/Malaysia had positive views of China. I wish these numbers were even higher, but this has to be the region that China focuses on going forward. It's where the economic activity is and all the economic growth are coming from. China also has far greater cultural link here than anywhere else.
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It looks good to me, looks like China's foreign policy is finally paying dividends. For Malaysia imagine what that number would have been 10 years ago. The response to the covid pandemic probably helped.

What America and the west think doesn't matter, soon they will fade into self inflicted irrelevance. The rest of the world does.

Also its hilarious that eastern Europeans, who we're told are the most ardent defenders of democracy and freedom when it comes to Russia are the most pro-China Europeans.

It reinforces my theory that eastern Europeans have a slave mentality and will instinctively back the biggest dog in a fight. It doesn't matter if its German fascism, American imperialism, Soviet communism or China. Mark my words, in another 10 years Poland, Czechs and the rest will all be pro-China.

Maybe its PTSD stemming from the invasions of Genghis Khan.
 

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Consider that this is an Australian news website. So if they are reporting it, then there is definitely real discomfort on the Indonesian side about AUKUS. I'm not here to talk about AUKUS, but rather how this may affect Indonesia's relationship with Australia. I think the stuff about Australia developing nuclear weapons is not the underlying issue. If Australia gets nuclear subs, they will be able to operate with impunity around Indonesia. They wouldn't have surface or snorkel like Collins class. This is in addition to all their moves trying to develop blue water navy.

As such, it would be wise for China to use its warming relationship with Indonesia to discuss increased security ties on how to counter this Australian threat. The problem with US trying to bring in everyone against China is that all these nations they try to bring together often see each other as their top security threat. US is never going to pick Indonesia ahed of Australia. Everyone knows that. As such, China should be supporting the growing power of Indonesia. That would involve supplying counter stealth radars, FC-31s, MPAs, diesel subs and things like that.
 

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Consider that this is an Australian news website. So if they are reporting it, then there is definitely real discomfort on the Indonesian side about AUKUS. I'm not here to talk about AUKUS, but rather how this may affect Indonesia's relationship with Australia. I think the stuff about Australia developing nuclear weapons is not the underlying issue. If Australia gets nuclear subs, they will be able to operate with impunity around Indonesia. They wouldn't have surface or snorkel like Collins class. This is in addition to all their moves trying to develop blue water navy.

As such, it would be wise for China to use its warming relationship with Indonesia to discuss increased security ties on how to counter this Australian threat. The problem with US trying to bring in everyone against China is that all these nations they try to bring together often see each other as their top security threat. US is never going to pick Indonesia ahed of Australia. Everyone knows that. As such, China should be supporting the growing power of Indonesia. That would involve supplying counter stealth radars, FC-31s, MPAs, diesel subs and things like that.
Based on the recent events around Pelosi, it seems your assumption that the Chinese military is not ready to take on the U.S. might need to be modified. In the past, there were U.S. politicians visiting Taiwan. The Chinese did not put up much of a fuss. They have deliberately pick this event to do a confrontation, and a military one at that. They would not do this if they are not ready for the full monte.
 

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Consider that this is an Australian news website. So if they are reporting it, then there is definitely real discomfort on the Indonesian side about AUKUS. I'm not here to talk about AUKUS, but rather how this may affect Indonesia's relationship with Australia. I think the stuff about Australia developing nuclear weapons is not the underlying issue. If Australia gets nuclear subs, they will be able to operate with impunity around Indonesia. They wouldn't have surface or snorkel like Collins class. This is in addition to all their moves trying to develop blue water navy.

As such, it would be wise for China to use its warming relationship with Indonesia to discuss increased security ties on how to counter this Australian threat. The problem with US trying to bring in everyone against China is that all these nations they try to bring together often see each other as their top security threat. US is never going to pick Indonesia ahed of Australia. Everyone knows that. As such, China should be supporting the growing power of Indonesia. That would involve supplying counter stealth radars, FC-31s, MPAs, diesel subs and things like that.

Based on the recent events around Pelosi, it seems your assumption that the Chinese military is not ready to take on the U.S. might need to be modified. In the past, there were U.S. politicians visiting Taiwan. The Chinese did not put up much of a fuss. They have deliberately pick this event to do a confrontation, and a military one at that. They would not do this if they are not ready for the full monte.
Bro, absolutely! China is tolerant, but there is the redline limit which has been spelled out dozens of time to previous US presidents and administrations and most recent to Biden, to Blinkin, to Austin. TW is an inalienable part of China, no one can distort this fact, no matter how. US has yet to honour the three communiques signed between China and US decades ago. But alas the US has never reputed to match its words with deeds.
 

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Based on the recent events around Pelosi, it seems your assumption that the Chinese military is not ready to take on the U.S. might need to be modified. In the past, there were U.S. politicians visiting Taiwan. The Chinese did not put up much of a fuss. They have deliberately pick this event to do a confrontation, and a military one at that. They would not do this if they are not ready for the full monte.
Makes one wonder (as others on this forum already speculated) if those lockdowns in Shanghai earlier this year served a dual purpose, one of stress testing major cities in extended times of crisis
 

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Based on the recent events around Pelosi, it seems your assumption that the Chinese military is not ready to take on the U.S. might need to be modified. In the past, there were U.S. politicians visiting Taiwan. The Chinese did not put up much of a fuss. They have deliberately pick this event to do a confrontation, and a military one at that. They would not do this if they are not ready for the full monte.
I'm not sure where you got that. China is clearly willing to confront America if it feel its red line has been crossed. But the longer it waits, the more force it has behind that threat. Even 3 years from now, US military might have a completely different assessment of its chances vs now. In general, China's future will rest in its relationship in Asia and this is what this thread is to discuss. It's relationship with Indonesia will be a big part of that.
 

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