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wssth0306

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qwerty3173 said:
If you have a machine gun that can be hauled around relatively easily I don't see why you can't consider it general purpose. Except maybe the .50 rounds weighs too much for foot infantry to carry?
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PLA motor pool is small up untill relatively recently , therefor PLA have to keep the ability to be foot moblie more then the US army .
Even a 7.62 ammo is quite a handful for the troops to carry around . let alone a 50cal with all of it's equipment ,a tripod , a lot of ammo , and even a spare barrel, so battle order for a 50cal section is 3-5 man depend mostly of how many ammo you would want to carry.
That compared to a GPM that on paper is 2 man team ,but mostly is just 1 guy alot of times on the field.
Think of it this way , I used to go on gurd duty with 5 mags of 5.56 , a short barrel M16 ,a helment, an old M-1967 load carry equitment with 2 canteens, and that felt a lot of weight to stand around for hours on end , let alone to march or run in. And that would be less then what a 2020's kit would be , with the radio , batteries , ceremic platings ,night vision, and all kind of gizmos on the gun itself.
Every gram feels like an extra , and for a typical 200-400 meter engagement, a 7.62 fired at you would still be an emotionally significant event, no one would be lying on the ground thinking " oh it fine, it is a 7.62 so it only has 20% of kinetic energy of a 50cal "
 
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qwerty3173

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wssth0306 said:
PLA motor pool is small up untill relatively recently , therefor PLA have to keep the ability to be foot moblie more then the US army .
Even a 7.62 ammo is quite a handful for the troops to carry around . let alone a 50cal with all of it's equipment ,a tripod , a lot of ammo , and even a spare barrel, so battle order for a 50cal section is 3-5 man depend mostly of how many ammo you would want to carry.
That compared to a GPM that on paper is 2 man team ,but mostly is just 1 guy alot of times on the field.
Think of it this way , I used to go on gurd duty with 5 mags of 5.56 , a short barrel M16 ,a helment, an old M-1967 load carry equitment with 2 canteens, and that felt a lot of weight to stand around for hours on end , let alone to march or run in. And that would be less then what a 2020's kit would be , with the radio , batteries , ceremic platings ,night vision, and all kind of gizmos on the gun itself.
Every gram feels like an extra , and for a typical 200-400 meter engagement, a 7.62 fired at you would still be an emotionally significant event, no one would be lying on the ground thinking " oh it fine, it is a 7.62 so it only has 20% of kinetic energy of a 50cal "
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The QJZ171 only weighs around 18 kilos including bipod so is entirely man-portable if you only consider the gun itself. I would guess a 2 man team can and will use the gun effectively in combat, though ammunition is not as abundant as one would prefer.
 
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wssth0306

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qwerty3173 said:
The QJZ171 only weighs around 18 kilos including bipod so is entirely man-portable if you only consider the gun itself. I would guess a 2 man team can and will use the gun effectively in combat, though ammunition is not as abundant as one would prefer.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that , for the most part 50cal is just too much weight for troops on foot and compare to GMP it main benefits is anti-metarial role , as in shooing light armored vehicle, shooting through walls , and the 500m + engagement.
In PLA service this role is already filled by the grenade lunchers in the weapon plattons , and that thing can do airbust munitions, and has more payload for anti armor work.
There is a reason that they almost no army in the world that would put 50cal as a standered battle order item for the infantry company or platoon , yet most would give them few GPM and a AT missle and light motars even when the latter weighs a lot more , It is all about trade offs, you have a limited amount of total weight you can carry and fight with , for a 4 men weapon team what would you have ? a 82mm mortar , 2 HJ12 or 2 GPM ? or 2 50cal ? what would add a more firepower capability to the platoon ?
 
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wssth0306 said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that , for the most part 50cal is just too much weight for troops on foot and compare to GMP it main benefits is anti-metarial role , as in shooing light armored vehicle, shooting through walls , and the 500m + engagement.
In PLA service this role is already filled by the grenade lunchers in the weapon plattons , and that thing can do airbust munitions, and has more payload for anti armor work.
There is a reason that they almost no army in the world that would put 50cal as a standered battle order item for the infantry company or platoon , yet most would give them few GPM and a AT missle and light motars even when the latter weighs a lot more , It is all about trade offs, you have a limited amount of total weight you can carry and fight with , for a 4 men weapon team what would you have ? a 82mm mortar , 2 HJ12 or 2 GPM ? or 2 50cal ? what would add a more firepower capability to the platoon ?
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PLA's weapons platoon is still composed of mortar squads, heavy machine gun squads, and grenade launcher squads. There is no such thing as grenade launchers replacing heavy machine guns.
 
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It looks like a new recoilless gun is being put into production. Below are excerpts from an article about a mobilization meeting for the mass production. The company in question is the Hebei Yanxing Machinery Co., which specializes in recoilless guns.

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