PLA News, Pics, and Discussion
- Thread starter Jeff Head
- Start date
Using a civilian ro-ro ship.
All newly built (post 2015?) civilian ocean ferries are apparently compatible with armored vehicles.
I've gone and had a closer look at the previous post and I'm quite sure this is a vip demo, a dog-and-pony show, rather than an actual tactical training.
Also, I don't quite understand the setup on the side doors with 2 fast ropes next to each other? Standard setup is 1 rope and you can get 2 troopers down 1 rope almost as fast as 2 troopers down 2 ropes without the attendant risk of entanglement. Can't quite see the attachment points on the ropes but there doesn't seem to be enough clearance off the airframe for the fast ropes so I'm not quite sure how they transition past the point where the rope is up against the airframe at around the cargo floor? Also the rear ramp is ideal for fast rope but instead they rappel off it...
Anyone know why it's being done in this manner? Because it looks cool for a demo?
It's certainly not quite an actual training exercise.
There's still plenty to be had with the choppers landing and the guys just hopping out.
For the generic troopers, there are differences that they have to adapt in their fan out patterns and perimeter security depending on the landing formation (trail, staggered, echelon), their stick/wave, the heli layout (rear ramp exit or side doors. Chinook is vastly different from UH-1/UH-60), etc...
While superficially all we see are the GIs running out the choppers, there's also plenty for the Officers and NCOs who are coordinating their stick's movement and the marry up with the Terminal Air Guidance team guiding their entry/exit of the LZ.
There are a lot of moving parts in a simple looking air insertion. While each element can be drilled on ground and in parts, you still need to put them all together in a real world exercise to make sure your guys can deal with the friction of all the little things that can go wrong in the heat and noise. I've seen enough of dumb grunts running the wrong ways and yanked out of harms way by an NCO/Officer.
There are often also training exercises where the GIs role is really akin to that of paid extras being moved around while the crux of the training is for the MO experts to hone their coordination and skill in orchestrating the whole maneuver.
Not every infantry trooper is a million dollar SF operator.
Last edited:
Map of troop placement during the recent Sino-Russian joint exercise.
What do you guys make of this?
by78
General
That looks more like a mockup for a theme park than a real viable design. It's a mishmash that makes no sense. The exhaust having no IR suppression is a big giveaway, among other things.
Last edited:
Please say its real please say its real please say its real.
Looks like a movie prop or something but then again when it comes to stuff like this I'm a complete amateur.
Hope I'm wrong.
You're probably right: (Although it's a park in some AVIC facility?)
