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Helius said:

No, it's not "no par". A warning shot is already a last resort when all attempts have been exhausted to communicate compliance which is met with non-acknowledgement and/or refusal, by which point direct fire would be warranted under maritime rules of engagement.

What's crazy is yolo-ing into another country's territorial waters, deliberately (what's JMSDF doing off the coast of Zhejiang?), then feinting ignorance by blaming it on "operational error", and expecting no serious consequences as a result.

Any competent and/or professional navy would follow the RoE to a tee. The fact the JMSDF ship got to sail back unharmed after the second last warning was due to the PLAN being competent and/or professional on the first shot, and lenient on the second shot.

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Sorry this is crazy talk. The idea that PLAN should have deliberately attacked first with lethal force in peace time a foreign warship moving inside the Chinese territorial waters is bonkers. I will not dignify the rest with another answer. You seem to know fuck all about maritime rules of engagement btw.

As I said, I'm glad that PLAN once again showed that it is a professional, highly trained navy. I'm also glad the Japanese Captain got sacked for this.

Dante80 said:

Sorry this is crazy talk. The idea that PLAN should have deliberately attacked with lethal force in peace time a ship moving inside the Chinese territorial waters is bonkers. I will not dignify the rest with another answer. You know fuck all about maritime rules of engagement btw.

As I said, I'm glad that PLAN is a proffesional, highly trained navy. I'm also glad the Japanese Captain got sacked for this.

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Calm down, I'm not advocating PLAN to fire on Japanese warships even if you seem to think I am by taking a passing comment so literally.

What I'm saying is any navy would be well within its rights to use direct fire (which is not the same as lethal force) after a warning shot is not being adhered to, it's literally codified in the maritime rules of engagement for most if not all navies.

What I'm sure you're arguing is that in practice no 'competent and/or professional navy' would be so 'crazy' to escalate into an actual shooting war, which I don't dispute, just like in practice no 'competent and/or professional navy' would be so 'crazy' in their provocations to risk escalation into an actual shooting war, yet here we are. If you read carefully my reply I was only commenting on the facts and that direct fire is allowed if they deem it so.

Upps ... as it seems, the CCG 3104 collided with the PLAN Type 52D hull 164.

Discussions around the DDG164 and CCG 056 SCS collision should continue at the below thread

China's SCS Strategy Thread

As you said, the destroyer would try to disengage in this situation. This might embolden the Filipino crew even more. I think you're stretching it here. Are you referring to CO of the destroyer? In PLAN's command structure, this shouldn't fall under his discretion. Yes, the CO of the...

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