PLA inventory Tally

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type 22 FACs are building up so fast that most pla watchers can keep up. Before I left for China half month ago, they were showing 10 to 20 building or complete on top of the 4 originals. I'm sure there are more discovered by now. Again, I wouldn't even bother finding their current count. My guess is that there will eventually be 100 type 22s since there were around that many type 21s.
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I got my jh-7 info from
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There appears to be one JH-7A plaaf regiment. JH-7G should be JH-7A but using the second hand spey engines. So, they are using the upgraded avionics, but still the old engine.
 
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Troika

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I see.

I don't think the number of proj. 22s will go that high. It is not one for one replacement for proj. 21s, there are the proj. 37-2s and the ones in Hong Kong which also partially make up for this. Personally I think China needs to branch out, one like the Molniya or the Skorpion, with comprehensive systems (there were rumours about buying Molniya, but that's didn't come to anything), and a lighter, long range craft firing something like C-701 to fight pirates in South China sea.
 
MIGleader

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Only 19 37-II's were built. Production of the class actually stopped because of the introduction of the 22 class. There are only 5 Hong kong houjians, after which production appears to have stopped.The 22 is a strike FAC, which differs from houjian. The latter is a patrol ship.
 
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Troika

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MIGleader said:
Only 19 37-II's were built. Production of the class actually stopped because of the introduction of the 22 class. There are only 5 Hong kong houjians, after which production appears to have stopped.The 22 is a strike FAC, which differs from houjian. The latter is a patrol ship.
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Yes, but any number is going to further reduce the one on one replacement. Regardless, this is inventory thread, for confirmed sightings and reasonably sure additions (ships' that's been laid down, foreign purchases confirmed, and so on), so we will leave the speculation elsewhere.
 
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here's a pretty good estimate of Chinese warships
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I'm going to guess that the site gives conservative estimates because
I recallreding news articles and doingsome additon and coming up with
"China will have 90 attack subs in its fleet. That's more than Hitler, Tojo or the current US total."
The site I linked indicates 61-74
 
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Long Island Bob said:
here's a pretty good estimate of Chinese warships
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I'm going to guess that the site gives conservative estimates because
I recallreding news articles and doingsome additon and coming up with
"China will have 90 attack subs in its fleet. That's more than Hitler, Tojo or the current US total."
The site I linked indicates 61-74
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We have knowledge of Globalsecurity. It hasn't been updated for years, and some of the estimates are woefully wrong (they still listed the Molniya for Chinese PLAN, years after the deal came to nothing, to name an example on the generous side). But thankyou anyway.
 
Gollevainen

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Hey all of you, Remaind me again, where this 100 J-10 (I remember that it was discussed in keypublishingforum) numbers came out?

the mainsite clearly indicates that the production of the first 50 pre production aircraft begun in 2002 and after that there has been delivered 50 odd Al-31F engines from russia. So how this has suddenly DOUPLED to hundred??

...oh yeas, somebody mentioned that He had descovered some "code" in chinese tactical markings that supposedly counted all the aircrafts in sinlge regiment and there is no way to NOT to assume that there would not be fifteen planes in one squardon if the magical code indicates that it is the 15th plane of the squardon...And completely ignoring the fact that eversince the tactical markings were take in use it has been the simpleyst way to fool obsevators about equipment tallyes.

And Also was mentioned the famous fact that if china has ordered 54 engines in 2002-2004 there is ALL reason to assume that china has purchased the same batch again in 2005-2006...Or is it??

You see its two different things to WANT that there is 100+ J-10's than there actually is that many....
 
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Troika

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Gollevainen said:
Hey all of you, Remaind me again, where this 100 J-10 (I remember that it was discussed in keypublishingforum) numbers came out?

the mainsite clearly indicates that the production of the first 50 pre production aircraft begun in 2002 and after that there has been delivered 50 odd Al-31F engines from russia. So how this has suddenly DOUPLED to hundred??

...oh yeas, somebody mentioned that He had descovered some "code" in chinese tactical markings that supposedly counted all the aircrafts in sinlge regiment and there is no way to NOT to assume that there would not be fifteen planes in one squardon if the magical code indicates that it is the 15th plane of the squardon...And completely ignoring the fact that eversince the tactical markings were take in use it has been the simpleyst way to fool obsevators about equipment tallyes.

And Also was mentioned the famous fact that if china has ordered 54 engines in 2002-2004 there is ALL reason to assume that china has purchased the same batch again in 2005-2006...Or is it??

You see its two different things to WANT that there is 100+ J-10's than there actually is that many....
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There were two different figures given for J-10 - Totoro's 70-100 and tphuang's 100+. There were rumours of a batch of 100 AL-31F in 2005, details strong suggestion but no confirmation... taking that into account the low end of 70 planes seems possible, though 100+ is out there in my opinion yes.
 
Gollevainen

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well possible and optium are luxury of some other things, not when listing PLA's inventory. Only facts are to be included so there isent any other proper answer that 50+ J-10.

But offcourse that doesent look good trough red and gold eye-glasess so we propaply hear some more...
 
MIGleader

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Hey all of you, Remaind me again, where this 100 J-10 (I remember that it was discussed in keypublishingforum) numbers came out?
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China ordered a second batch of engines, i forget hom many. China can make 24-36 j-10s a year, so the first 54 were delivered soemtime in 2004. Thne production went on through the rest of 2004, 2005, and some of 2006 to make 100.
 
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