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Shadow_Whomel

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Weird T-72 style tank with ZTZ-96/Al Khalid turret and IFV based on Type 59 spotted on Inner Mongolia
This strange Chinese version of the T-72 modernisation project started in the 2000s, went through several iterations, modified a number of prototypes but was eventually suspended or what might be called terminated. Because there wasn't that much need from the customer, the whole project just didn't seem that economically viable.

But now there are rumours that the project has been reactivated.....
 

Kejora

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This strange Chinese version of the T-72 modernisation project started in the 2000s, went through several iterations, modified a number of prototypes but was eventually suspended or what might be called terminated. Because there wasn't that much need from the customer, the whole project just didn't seem that economically viable.

But now there are rumours that the project has been reactivated.....
They got international customer that willing to buy it? this thing got commander independent sight, RCWS and better armor arrangement than ZTZ-96B.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Weird T-72 style tank with ZTZ-96/Al Khalid turret and IFV based on Type 59 spotted on Inner Mongolia
This strange Chinese version of the T-72 modernisation project started in the 2000s, went through several iterations, modified a number of prototypes but was eventually suspended or what might be called terminated. Because there wasn't that much need from the customer, the whole project just didn't seem that economically viable.

But now there are rumours that the project has been reactivated.....
But... why? For who? Russia?
 

Biscuits

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This strange Chinese version of the T-72 modernisation project started in the 2000s, went through several iterations, modified a number of prototypes but was eventually suspended or what might be called terminated. Because there wasn't that much need from the customer, the whole project just didn't seem that economically viable.

But now there are rumours that the project has been reactivated.....
They've actually acquired T72/T90 now? Interesting development. I wonder which version Russia sent.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
But... why? For who? Russia?

Maybe. If they spend a few months to finalise the design, maybe add some new improvements like APS, a few months more to set up mass production it might be a year or more before they make a single deliverable unit. Unless they invest silly money, production rates are unlikely to be huge, so it might take years more to build a useful number of turrets ready for delivery. At that point, the war might be over and arms sales to Russia won’t cause as much fallout.

At a minimum, finalising the design and looking into how to mass produce it would be a useful and probably necessary contingency step for China to make to safeguard against direct NATO involvement in the Ukraine war.

Should NATO be stupid enough to cross that red line, I think China will open the floodgates to Russia of any and (almost) every conventional military weapon system available to prevent the Russians from using tactical nukes, since once nukes fly between nuclear powers, it will be all but inevitable that the conflict will rapidly escalate to full global nuclear MAD, in which case America will first launch against China even if China stayed completely out of it.
 

Biscuits

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Maybe. If they spend a few months to finalise the design, maybe add some new improvements like APS, a few months more to set up mass production it might be a year or more before they make a single deliverable unit. Unless they invest silly money, production rates are unlikely to be huge, so it might take years more to build a useful number of turrets ready for delivery. At that point, the war might be over and arms sales to Russia won’t cause as much fallout.

At a minimum, finalising the design and looking into how to mass produce it would be a useful and probably necessary contingency step for China to make to safeguard against direct NATO involvement in the Ukraine war.

Should NATO be stupid enough to cross that red line, I think China will open the floodgates to Russia of any and (almost) every conventional military weapon system available to prevent the Russians from using tactical nukes, since once nukes fly between nuclear powers, it will be all but inevitable that the conflict will rapidly escalate to full global nuclear MAD, in which case America will first launch against China even if China stayed completely out of it.
I think more likely it is an upgrade kit which can be applied to any T72. Why? It can be easily sold to countries with these tanks as Russia itself will need their own upgrade kits for the war. And for Russia too, these kits can make their worse tanks near equal or equal to T90M, without the cost or needed labor of a T90M if they're provided as lethal aid.

If it was about building new tanks, it'd make no sense to work with the T72 as a base as it'd be something China has little experience with. So it has something to do with the countries that use T72 variants. China could just offer VT4s or even 99A as aid if they're following the plan you're laying out.
 

zhangjim

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I think more likely it is an upgrade kit which can be applied to any T72. Why? It can be easily sold to countries with these tanks as Russia itself will need their own upgrade kits for the war. And for Russia too, these kits can make their worse tanks near equal or equal to T90M, without the cost or needed labor of a T90M if they're provided as lethal aid.

If it was about building new tanks, it'd make no sense to work with the T72 as a base as it'd be something China has little experience with. So it has something to do with the countries that use T72 variants. China could just offer VT4s or even 99A as aid if they're following the plan you're laying out.
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According to the information here (unconfirmed), this tank is the latest state of the project.
This project is prepared for overseas users to upgrade the T-72. The biggest difficulty is that the internal space of the Soviet tank is too small to make the transformation very difficult.

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The chassis is based on T-72A. This kind of tank has been bought by China in the past for research.

Add: It seems that War Thunder has new things to add
 

by78

General
After over a decade of searching, I have finally found a clear image of what's printed on the red labels usually seen on Chinese small arms. It lists the unit to which the firearm belongs to, its model designation and name, a serial number, and the name of the soldier to whom the firearm is issued.

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The red labels on QBZ-95s have only the serial numbers and the names of the soldiers printed on them.

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