PLA Army's transport helicopters

Well, if China gets desperate enough. (Which I doubt) China can maybe build Hood bodies and fit Z-9 engines on them?

I am really skeptical about heavy lifting choppers when they use a penny-farthing design. I mean, I can't imagine 1 single rotor lifting 40 tons. If that rotor does something stupid, then OM*G. I'd rather get a twin rotor when it comes to heavy lifters. (Plus, twin rotors usually mean a more spacious cabin.)

The Z-8 uses 3 engines, is that really needed?

I really like the idea of putting racks for rockets and HMG on choppers in China, it gives them a very high capability, but...............what's with the stub wings? Do you think it's better to form wings for lift than to leave them as they are now? For the Mi-17s, it's as simple somewhat as putting metal sheets(or even fabric, like the Hawker Hurricanes) over the rack.

I have some questions regarding Chinese Troop and Material Transport Helicopters.

1. From what I have come to understand, a new medium-sized Transport Helicopter, the Z-10 from what I understand, will be on the scene. Is it based on any sort of forigen design or previous model in service and when is it expected to be in service?

2. Are the Mi-17 Hip helicopters used by the PLA and PLAAF use any sort of 'Unique Modifications' in comparison to other Mi-17 Helo's used by the Indian, Russian Federation, etc? Or are they cut-n-dry copies with no or little modifications?

3. What sort of counter-measures are offered on Mi-17 and Z-9 Helicopters? Against, say, a SAM of the heat-seeking variety?

4. Does the PLAN use the Kamov 'Hormone/Helix' as a ship-to-shore transport helicopter? (if this term is an apropriate one) Or is there a Navalized version of the Mi-17?

5. Does the PLAN plan on creating a navalized version of the Z-10 Transport aircraft?

And a bit of an off-topic question:

Would it be fair to compare the Mi-17 to the Ch-47 Chinook? And in that sort of comparison, the Z-9 or proposed Z-10 to a UH-60 or possibly UH-1?

Apologies for the stupid questions, but I trust you guys for information. And so far, my trust is well founded.

Thank you (and possibly Sorry) in advance.

Bah. Fine. Forget it.

Kampfwagen said:

I have some questions regarding Chinese Troop and Material Transport Helicopters.

1. From what I have come to understand, a new medium-sized Transport Helicopter, the Z-10 from what I understand, will be on the scene. Is it based on any sort of forigen design or previous model in service and when is it expected to be in service?

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hmm, are you talking about Z-12 (aka CMH) or Z-15 (aka EC-175), there seems to be so many pla helicopter in this class right now with 10, 12, 15. I'm kind of confused.

2. Are the Mi-17 Hip helicopters used by the PLA and PLAAF use any sort of 'Unique Modifications' in comparison to other Mi-17 Helo's used by the Indian, Russian Federation, etc? Or are they cut-n-dry copies with no or little modifications?

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no idea, don't follow it that much.

3. What sort of counter-measures are offered on Mi-17 and Z-9 Helicopters? Against, say, a SAM of the heat-seeking variety?

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not sure, I read that Z-9G had improved counter measure compared to previous versions of Z-9W.

4. Does the PLAN use the Kamov 'Hormone/Helix' as a ship-to-shore transport helicopter? (if this term is an apropriate one) Or is there a Navalized version of the Mi-17?

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i don't believe mi-17 is used by plan, there was the talk of importing 40 ka-29 a while back.

5. Does the PLAN plan on creating a navalized version of the Z-10 Transport aircraft?

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no idea, too many variants of helicopters in this 6 tonne weight class right now. I'd think the 10 tonne helicopter they are talking about is the most logical solution right now.

And a bit of an off-topic question:

Would it be fair to compare the Mi-17 to the Ch-47 Chinook? And in that sort of comparison, the Z-9 or proposed Z-10 to a UH-60 or possibly UH-1?

Apologies for the stupid questions, but I trust you guys for information. And so far, my trust is well founded.

Thank you (and possibly Sorry) in advance.

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not a helicopter expert, someone else can answer this.

Mi-17 not comparable to chinook. Too many differences. UH-60 and UH-1 are transport choppers, cannot be compared to WZ-10 (a attack helicopter). the Z-9 is better than the UH-1 and close to blackhawk.

Did I put down WZ-10? My mistake.

By 'Z-10', I meant the proposed idea for a replacement for the Z-9 Transport Helicopter. I figure that it would follow in the natural order of 9-10. But I suppouse that may be where I was mistaken.

By comparison, I meant as far as being Heavy-Lift/Large Troop Transport helicopters. Lift ratio, capacity, similarities in statistics basicaly. My apologies for not elaborating.

a swamp of helicopters including Z-9, Mil-17, Z-8... in formation exercises

Wow havent seen this thread in a decade

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Wow havent seen this thread in a decade

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Yes indeed ... again Darth Davidau's force to resurrect long-long-dead threads for images he found at Sina especially when they are off-topic.

Deino

In order to bring some kind of structure into these PLA-Army transport helicopters - esp. the older Z-8 members and Russian types - I merged a few quite old and dead threads.

However due to their importance - also for the PLAN - I would like to keep the Z-8/Z-18-family separated.


All the best,
Deino