PLA Anti-Air Missile (SAM) systems


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sndef888

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So basically China currently has 3 tiers of modern AAMs

Long range:
HQ-9 / HHQ-9 naval versions / FD2000 export version (300+km,41km)
HQ-22 / KS-1 / FK-3 export version (170km,27km)

Low-medium range:
DK-10A / Sky Dragon 50 / PL-12 (50km,20km)
HQ-16 / HHQ-16 naval versions / LY-80 export version (40km,18km)

Low range:
LY-60 / FD-60 / PL10 / PL11 (18km,12km)
HQ-10 / FL3000 (9km,6km)
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Are there any that I missed out? Some questions:
Is the LY-60 considered a replacement for the HQ-7?
Is there a missile being developed for quadpacking? The naval side seems a bit lacking compared to Western quadpackable missiles like ESSM, CAMM
 
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ougoah

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sndef888 said:
So basically China currently has 3 tiers of modern AAMs

Long range:
HQ-9 / HHQ-9 naval versions / FD2000 export version (300+km,41km)
HQ-22 / KS-1 / FK-3 export version (170km,27km)

Low-medium range:
DK-10A / Sky Dragon 50 / PL-12 (50km,20km)
HQ-16 / HHQ-16 naval versions / LY-80 export version (40km,18km)

Low range:
LY-60 / FD-60 / PL10 / PL11 (18km,12km)
HQ-10 / FL3000 (9km,6km)
TY-90


Are there any that I missed out? Some questions:
Is the LY-60 considered a replacement for the HQ-7?
Is there a missile being developed for quadpacking? The naval side seems a bit lacking compared to Western quadpackable missiles like ESSM, CAMM
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Do you mean SAMs rather than AAM? You missed HQ-7 and HQ-17 short range missiles. You should also include BMD or ASAT level missiles which service both exo and endo atmospheric interceptions for ballistic missiles, warheads, or aircraft/drones. These have uncertain designations but they include; HQ-19, HQ-26, and HQ-29. The ASAT ones I'm less familiar with but may be included in those three.
 
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People overestimate the range of the HQ-9 considerably in absence of official data. IMO the HQ-9 has a range of ~125-150km comparable to the Russian 48N6. The HQ-9A has ~200 km range comparable to the 48N6D and the HQ-9B has ~250 km range comparable to the 48N6DM.
 
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Tam

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sndef888 said:
So basically China currently has 3 tiers of modern AAMs

Long range:
HQ-9 / HHQ-9 naval versions / FD2000 export version (300+km,41km)
HQ-22 / KS-1 / FK-3 export version (170km,27km)

Low-medium range:
DK-10A / Sky Dragon 50 / PL-12 (50km,20km)
HQ-16 / HHQ-16 naval versions / LY-80 export version (40km,18km)

Low range:
LY-60 / FD-60 / PL10 / PL11 (18km,12km)
HQ-10 / FL3000 (9km,6km)
TY-90


Are there any that I missed out? Some questions:
Is the LY-60 considered a replacement for the HQ-7?
Is there a missile being developed for quadpacking? The naval side seems a bit lacking compared to Western quadpackable missiles like ESSM, CAMM
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LY-60 is dead product. I think that's the export version of HQ-61, which was installed on the Jiangwei 053H1 to H2, and by the H3, it was replaced by HQ-7.

You also forgot to add HQ-17 on the list for short range. HQ-17 appears to be on the gradual replacement of HQ-7.

DK-10A aka Skydragon 50 is the one supposed to be quad packed. But for some reason it is not accepted by the PLAN. Skydragon 50 remains to be an export product only where it has already has some installed customers.

There is talk about the 5-5-5 quad packed missile, which stands for Mach 5, 50 kilometers, not sure what the other 5 is, but it could be 5km height.
 
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ougoah

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Tam said:
LY-60 is dead product. I think that's the export version of HQ-61, which was installed on the Jiangwei 053H1 to H2, and by the H3, it was replaced by HQ-7.

You also forgot to add HQ-17 on the list for short range. HQ-17 appears to be on the gradual replacement of HQ-7.

DK-10A aka Skydragon 50 is the one supposed to be quad packed. But for some reason it is not accepted by the PLAN. Skydragon 50 remains to be an export product only where it has already has some installed customers.

There is talk about the 5-5-5 quad packed missile, which stands for Mach 5, 50 kilometers, not sure what the other 5 is, but it could be 5km height.
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What is this 5-5-5 quad pack SAM? Is it for Type 055 VLS? or land based SAM?

Mach 5 is incredible SAM speeds. I think most of the world's fastest are basically around mach 4 top speed? 50km puts it around mid block HQ-16 range levels. Is this 5-5-5 SAM a HQ-16 based missile or DK-10/PL-12 staged boost missile?
 
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sndef888

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Tam said:
LY-60 is dead product. I think that's the export version of HQ-61, which was installed on the Jiangwei 053H1 to H2, and by the H3, it was replaced by HQ-7.

You also forgot to add HQ-17 on the list for short range. HQ-17 appears to be on the gradual replacement of HQ-7.

DK-10A aka Skydragon 50 is the one supposed to be quad packed. But for some reason it is not accepted by the PLAN. Skydragon 50 remains to be an export product only where it has already has some installed customers.

There is talk about the 5-5-5 quad packed missile, which stands for Mach 5, 50 kilometers, not sure what the other 5 is, but it could be 5km height.
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Seems like for all ranges PLA is going to have modern versions soon (HQ-9C for long range, 555 missile for medium range, HQ-17 or FM2000 for short range).

But short range still seems like a mess with a a mix of really old missiles like HQ-7, LY-60 and gun systems like PGZ-95 gun+manpad, PGZ-09 gun, LD-2000 and then there's the HQ-10 that is naval only and looks unsuitable for vehicles.

I am really looking forward to the 555 missile. The HQ-16 seems really outdated and bulky compared to modern versions like EESM.
 
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Some questions about the HQ-17 short range SAM:

1. Some websites claim that the HQ-17A wheeled version carries 16 missiles while the HQ-17 tracked version only carries 8. Is that true? I find it hard to believe given their small size difference




2. For both the wheeled HQ-17A and tracked HQ-17, do the missiles extend beyond the top cab with the radars?

I was under the impression that the top cab can spin around to direct its front tracking radar, but seeing the length of the missile in this photo, it seems impossible not to extend into the vehicle itself
 
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