But you can get the same electromagnetic and radar signatures when US ships and aircraft operate in the Western Pacific.
Plus surveillance ships won't get decent sonar signatures. You would generally rely on submarines for this.
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But you can get the same electromagnetic and radar signatures when US ships and aircraft operate in the Western Pacific.
Plus surveillance ships won't get decent sonar signatures. You would generally rely on submarines for this.
The ships and aircraft all have slightly different radar signature. There are surely electromagnetic emissions in Hawaii that you can't get in Westpac. Again, you can collect a lot of secure communication that can be decrypted later with quantum computer.
These debate has spanned several pages but I think it all boils down the simple fact that China has no effective means to retaliate reciprocally.
China doesn't have a long-range surveillance craft like the US and allies whose platforms are based on Boeing 707 and 737. Maybe when China fields such a large platforms in greater numbers, it can have all the fun with Japan and Guam as well and even the Aussies.
The Y-20 will be a good platform but also maybe the C919 if it ever achieves certification and becomes good enough for the PLA to take a crack at it.
Until China can send a survelliance craft to buzz very close to sensitive US and allies targets and show them how annoying their actions are, we will continue to see these activities both from the US (because legally they can do it) and China's intercept response.
In fact, think about the US position. If you're them and you have all these capabilities to fly close and gather signals and intelligence and do it legally, it would be extremely foolish to not use them.
China should focus on improving their peace-time reconnaissance capabilities as well to make this "cat and mouse game" interesting.
China doesn't have a long-range surveillance craft like the US and allies whose platforms are based on Boeing 707 and 737. Maybe when China fields such a large platforms in greater numbers, it can have all the fun with Japan and Guam as well and even the Aussies.
The Y-20 will be a good platform but also maybe the C919 if it ever achieves certification and becomes good enough for the PLA to take a crack at it.
Until China can send a survelliance craft to buzz very close to sensitive US and allies targets and show them how annoying their actions are, we will continue to see these activities both from the US (because legally they can do it) and China's intercept response.
In fact, think about the US position. If you're them and you have all these capabilities to fly close and gather signals and intelligence and do it legally, it would be extremely foolish to not use them.
China should focus on improving their peace-time reconnaissance capabilities as well to make this "cat and mouse game" interesting.
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Yes.
At the moment, I see the only effective means to reach Pearl Harbour to be SS(G)Ns or ICBMs armed with conventional warheads.
But the good news is that ICBMs with cluster munitions should work out far cheaper than any defending GMD missiles.
So I wouldn't be surprised if a number of the new Chinese ICBM silos are armed in this way.
I see no reason why they cannot send wz7 or y9 aircraft to edge of Japan from east coast an do their surveillance. They have the assets to do similar spying missions and irritate without breaking any rules.
But what proactive measures can China adopt in its PR War? Lying like the western media?
Unlike some Western countries, you know which, China's words matches with deeds. Thus translates to TRUST.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Two problems with doing that.
Firstly, such aggressive action would only serve to ‘prove’ the need for continued US military presence in those countries and strength America’s China-threat claims. The end result is more anti-China unity between SK and Japan. Instead, without that overt external threat, you are seeing the fault lines between SK and Japan crack open every now and again despite the best efforts of the US and their agents in both countries.
Secondly, by reciprocating, China is also in a way legitimatising American FON operations and spy plane probes.
The most important pieces of intel you can gather from such close in surveillance and aggressive probing is to gauge response capabilities/times and probe for weakness and deficiencies in local defences. Useful if you are planing offensive operations for the US, but far less so for China as it has no ambitions for such offensive operations, and any attacks at US bases in SK or Japan would be mostly done by long range missiles anyways, negating the need for such detailed defence posture information.
I think if China wants to push back, it would be far more effective and useful to gatecrash US and vassals exercises instead.
Doing so would be far less overtly provocative to neighbouring countries and also would greatly undermine the training value of said exercises as the US would need to put in place serious restrictions if they don’t want China to hoover up useful intel.
escobar
Brigadier
Good. I guess they’ll listen to warning next time. Otherwise it’s just words.