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Brumby

Major
Some want to call this Murder. Murder is killing without reason. When the PMF launched rockets on US troops It provoked a response. When the US Embassy was attacked it declared war. Soleimani was linked to the deaths of Hundreds of American, NATO and Iraqi soldiers by the EFP IEDs that Iran supplied to any number of militia and groups across the region. this was long and coming.

I agree. The problem is with selective reasoning and lack of understanding on law of conflict. It is just folks killing each other until hostility ends.

Btw, Trump's latest tweet is noteworthy :

US 'targeting' 52 Iranian sites if Tehran attacks
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Essentially Iran is put on notice that Iran itself will be on the target list if further attacks are made on US personnel.

The question now is who is bluffing.
 

zgx09t

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This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
December 27 Rocket attack on US Troops.
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The US responds. Any rational person would expect a retaliation for a attack on troops.
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Iranian backed Militias Attack US embassy. Technically an Act of War. No nation would let that stand without some form of response.
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US strikes at Iranian General Qasem Soleimani but not just him everyone is so focused on him It also killed the leader of one of the Militias who attacked the embassy
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Some want to call this Murder. Murder is killing without reason. When the PMF launched rockets on US troops It provoked a response. When the US Embassy was attacked it declared war. Soleimani was linked to the deaths of Hundreds of American, NATO and Iraqi soldiers by the EFP IEDs that Iran supplied to any number of militia and groups across the region. this was long and coming.

So nothing US did to provoke them before Dec 27 rocket launch? How ironic it is, as if that happened in a vacuum.
However someone spins the narratives to portray oneself as a good guy, we all know who real bad guy is.
Hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians murdered or maimed would love to have their stories told.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The base that was attacked was for training Iraqi Police and military forces against IS. The US troops and contractors were there to help stabilize the situation.
But if you want to talk about the Iraqis killed might you also want to talk about those killed by the PMF and it’s forerunners. Hundreds of thousands killed by IS, as well as other Shia and Suni militias.
 

zgx09t

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The base that was attacked was for training Iraqi Police and military forces against IS. The US troops and contractors were there to help stabilize the situation.
But if you want to talk about the Iraqis killed might you also want to talk about those killed by the PMF and it’s forerunners. Hundreds of thousands killed by IS, as well as other Shia and Suni militias.

One greedy contractor getting killed there is exactly what they knowingly signed up for a shitload of money.
To stabilize the situation? So who destabilized it first one would like to ask?
Don't get confused with sectarian violence and war crimes. Totally separate issues.
 

Gatekeeper

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Iranian backed Militias Attack US embassy. Technically an Act of War. No nation would let that stand without some form of response.

Really, so when US bombed China's embassy, that was not technically an Act of War then? Intetesting one sided view you have.

Some want to call this Murder. Murder is killing without reason.

I don't recall anyone here calling it "Murder", that's quite dramatic of you to try and mis-direct. I recalled posters here calling it assassination, which is what it is.

"This didn’t happen in a vacuum.
December 27 Rocket attack on US Troops."

Well, you're right here, I think it started many years ago!
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
If it was an Intentional action yes it would have been however we know it was not the intended target as such the reaction was diplomatic.

As to the other statement please reread some of the linked to articles that have called it murder.
 

adiru

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The assassination of Iran's Soleimani is an event that has global impacts. We may see the US has to fight another Vietnam war in the ME, and will lose it with the demise of the dollar as the world currency.

The US has already had a significant presence in the ME. Unlike the Vietnam war, the US, this time around, can't simply walk away when it finds it can't win the war. Without Saudis' support, the petro-dollar is dead, so the dollar becomes useless green toilet paper. Thus, the US has no other option but to hang on in the ME, dragging it deeper and deeper into a chronic, unwinnable war with Iran and its supporters.

This war will not end well for the US for sure. During the Vietnam war, it was China and the USSR which stood behind to support the Vietnamese. This time, it is China and Russia, the two guys again, which stand behind to support the Iranians. It is a proxy war for China and Russia, and even for Iran, but a direct war for the US. Unlike during the Vietnam war sixty years ago, the US now is much weaker and China is much stronger. What China could offer the Vietnamese sixty years ago were rifles and other small arms, plus surface to air defense. This time, what China can offer the Iranians are a full spectrum of weaponry that rivals US weaponry, from satellite surveillance to deep sea monitoring, from missiles to jet fighters to subs. The final results will be much worse than the Vietnam war for the US.

What you'll see immediately is a lot of Chinese and Russian missiles, UAVs and other weapons show up in the ME, increase of US war casualties in the ME, and of course, unstoppable run-offs of US war debts. Now, you can almost palpate the death of the dollar, if the US doesn't back off.


Pentagon: Iran's Gen. Soleimani killed in airstrike at Baghdad airport
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US to deploy 3,500 new troops to Middle East
— as it happened Iran has threatened to retaliate after a US air strike killed Qassem Soleimani, the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards’ overseas forces.
The flare up in tensions has cascaded into asset markets, sending oil prices and haven assets rallying.

Iran’s top military leader killed in US air strike Soleimani assassination risks all-out war between US and Iran
Oil and haven assets jump on sharp escalation in US-Iran tensions
Qassem Soleimani, Iranian military commander, 1957-2020

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Trump will be known in the history books as the President that ended the American Empire. In the grand scheme of things that might not actually be a bad thing.

Remember he said he was the "Chosen One" to take on China, and that he was the America last chance to defeat China and prevent China from rising.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Lol at "Terran empire".

Iraqi militias fired some primitive rockets near some US base and killed an American "contractor". Then US responds by killing 25+ PMU Iraqi fighters. Then pro-PMU Iraqis protest at US Embassy, injuring and killing ZERO Americans. So US assassinate the top Iranian General. Unbelievably reckless decision to assassinate a top foreign general for the sake of some graffiti.

Now Trump is threatening genocidal war crimes openly on Twitter whilst Fat Pig Pompeo cries about de-escalation. The stupid dogs didn't know what they were doing and the situation they've created for themselves.

Iraqi Parliament will vote to remove these colonialist pigs and the entire region will turn into a graveyard for all Americans, as promised. Trump shouldn't have let the neo-cons/hawks fool him, he had no idea what he was getting himself in for.
 
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