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Khalij e Fars

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Yeah, 5 E-3 and 300+ fighter jet is too small inventory to cover 2 million square km.

I mean, this inventory doesn't put the kingdom into the "best air-forces top ten".

It has only the 12th biggest airforce on the surface of earth, bigger than the German, British or Israeli air force.
What the hell are these clowns buying with the third largest military budget on the planet?

They don't need to cover all 2 million km^2 at once, just the key sites. You know, like the single biggest oil refinery in the country...
 

Brumby

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Media: Russian S-300 and S-400 air defense systems unable to detect Israeli warplanes flying over Syria
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Russian S-300 and S-400 missile systems, which are considered one of the most advanced air defense weapons in the world, failed to detect Israeli warplanes flying over Damascus.

The Israeli news outlet NZIV, citing a number of military sources,
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the flight route of the Israeli warplanes, which struck eastern Syria. As it turned out, the Israeli Air Force planes , which, according to some reports, were F-35s, not only entered the Syrian airspace, but also flew for almost several hundred kilometers over the area covered by Russian S-400 and Syrian S-300 air defense systems.

NZIV writes that another attack by the Israeli Air Force puts in question the effectiveness of Russian air and missile defense systems. The previous day, two Israeli warplanes were able to enter the Syrian air space without any hindrance. Given the fact that Russia had previously
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of its readiness to respond adequately, it seems that the Russian air defense systems simply did not notice the Israeli warplanes.

During the Israel’s attack, Russian warplanes also did not attempt to intercept the Israeli F-35s, which may indicate that Russian stealth detection systems simply failed.

 

Biscuits

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Operator skill is a huge factor. Having the technical capability to detect is just the first step in a difficult journey towards achieving a kill.

The Russians may not have super reliable stealth yet, but China has had access to plenty of stealth platforms to run tests on (and maybe even share the data with Russia). If they couldn’t reliably track and destroy a stealth target, they would have said so already.
 

plawolf

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As with many infamous disasters throughout history, a lack of imagination and expectations is almost certain to have played a key role.

I personally think the success of the strike is as much about the Saudis not expecting such an audacious attack and getting caught with their pants down as much with the brilliance of the execution of the attack.

The Saudis’ procurement choices are also likely to blame, as they have heavily, and often over invested in ‘sexy’ offensive weapons, with little to no regard for key defensive and support systems like SAMs, AWACS, long range early warning radars etc.

I foreseen big ticket purchases of SAMs and early warning radars etc in the immediate future. China’s new AWACS drones might be especially attractive, as they would be ideally suited to detecting low flying drones and missiles, and would be possible to mount continuous, near open-ended operations that would tax manned AWACS fleets to exhaustion.
 

Biscuits

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I foreseen big ticket purchases of SAMs and early warning radars etc in the immediate future. China’s new AWACS drones might be especially attractive
China would be the stupidest nation in the world if it agreed to selling AWACS drones to them.

They already burned China hard by taking ballistic missile tech and then handing it straight over to their close ally USA. Luckily, those missiles weren’t in service anymore, but AWACS drones are cutting edge. Selling them to Saudi is like suicide.
 

Anlsvrthng

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As with many infamous disasters throughout history, a lack of imagination and expectations is almost certain to have played a key role.

I personally think the success of the strike is as much about the Saudis not expecting such an audacious attack and getting caught with their pants down as much with the brilliance of the execution of the attack.

The Saudis’ procurement choices are also likely to blame, as they have heavily, and often over invested in ‘sexy’ offensive weapons, with little to no regard for key defensive and support systems like SAMs, AWACS, long range early warning radars etc.

I foreseen big ticket purchases of SAMs and early warning radars etc in the immediate future. China’s new AWACS drones might be especially attractive, as they would be ideally suited to detecting low flying drones and missiles, and would be possible to mount continuous, near open-ended operations that would tax manned AWACS fleets to exhaustion.
So, the Saudi dictator is in war with one neighbour country, and happy to start a war with the biggest country in the region overnight (Iran).
IF the Saudis military is not on high alert now then when they would be ?


The biggest failure of the Saudis air defence was they reliance on the USA war tech, they are not so keen to sell anything that can detect low RCS targets, and the USA doesn't has too much weapon in its disposal for point defence (apart from few Phalanx strapped onto a truck ).


They need non USA produced early radar system, and same capable point defence system.

Most likely a Pantsir/Thor battalion could kill the incoming missiles without any trouble, all of them looks like standard subsonic missile/slow drone.
 

XavNN

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Saudi Arabia’s Zamil Shipyards Lays Keel of 1st Locally Built HSI32 Interceptor
Zamil Shipyards laid the keel of its first HSI32 Interceptor on order for the Royal Saudi Navy. The event took place in Damman, Saudi Arabia.

CMN delivered the first two HSI32 Interceptors for the Royal Saudi Navy. The delivery ceremony took place July 24, 2019 at the shipyard in Cherbourg, Normandie. In addition, CMN is set to deliver three Combattante FS56 Fast Attack Craft (originally ordered on behalf of Lebanon).
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