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now US Air Force official: Missile targeting Saudis was Iranian
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I also noticed that the Saudis say they intercepted and shot down the missile

I am wondering what system they used to down it? The say Saudi air defense forces did it.

I am willing to bet that they used their Patriot Missile batteries to bring it down.

Another realt time, warfare test of the Atriot shooting down incoming ballistic missiles.

This US had deeloped sold and used several layers of its defense shield, ad has its allies.

AEGIS, Patriot, THAADS, and the BMD missiles the US had in California and Alaska have all demonstrated the capability of shooting down ballistic missiles. from short. to medium, to intercontinental range...though the BMD and AEGIS system has never been used in actual combat, they have been used in numerous tests against long range intercontinental missiles like North Korea would fire.

Patriot has been purhased by numerous countries, has has THAADs, in fact this year Sauid Arabia has agreed to but THAADs too, along with UAE, Omana, Korea, Jaban, potetnially Taiwan and others.

AEGIS at sea is ised by several nations too.

Of course the US has all of them.

I believe THAADs is on Wake ISland, Guam, the US West coast and elsewhere.

AEGIS ashore is going into eastern Europs and elsewhere, and I believe will become anothjer popular US sytem for its allies.

Between Patriot, THAADS and AEGIS, any country has a credible mulit=layered ballistic defense shield that has been proven to work. THAADS has had 17 sucessful intercepts of ballistic missiles tests since 2005.

PAtriot has had a similar record...and Suadi Arabia has apparently now used it at least once (and I believe several times) in atual combat.
 

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I also noticed that the Saudis say they intercepted and shot down the missile

I am wondering what system they used to down it? The say Saudi air defense forces did it.

I am willing to bet that they used their Patriot Missile batteries to bring it down.

Another realt time, warfare test of the Atriot shooting down incoming ballistic missiles.

This US had deeloped sold and used several layers of its defense shield, ad has its allies.

AEGIS, Patriot, THAADS, and the BMD missiles the US had in California and Alaska have all demonstrated the capability of shooting down ballistic missiles. from short. to medium, to intercontinental range...though the BMD and AEGIS system has never been used in actual combat, they have been used in numerous tests against long range intercontinental missiles like North Korea would fire.

Patriot has been purhased by numerous countries, has has THAADs, in fact this year Sauid Arabia has agreed to but THAADs too, along with UAE, Omana, Korea, Jaban, potetnially Taiwan and others.

AEGIS at sea is ised by several nations too.

Of course the US has all of them.

I believe THAADs is on Wake ISland, Guam, the US West coast and elsewhere.

AEGIS ashore is going into eastern Europs and elsewhere, and I believe will become anothjer popular US sytem for its allies.

Between Patriot, THAADS and AEGIS, any country has a credible mulit=layered ballistic defense shield that has been proven to work. THAADS has had 17 sucessful intercepts of ballistic missiles tests since 2005.

PAtriot has had a similar record...and Suadi Arabia has apparently now used it at least once (and I believe several times) in atual combat.
Let's put that under the microscope, shall we!!

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Not first time Patriots used

They have MIM-104C (PAC-2) in fact now MIM-104D (PAC-2/GEM) and PAC-3 or for soon not sure delivered.
The first are ABM capable but limited but have an advantage over PAC-3 very compact and possible 4 in a tube longer range 160 km ( aircrafts ofc ) so in Batteries they are mixed by ex Japanese have 3 PAC-2 and 2 PAC-3 in a Battery Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces 9 TELs others countries 6 - 8 TELs

PAC-3 ABM range 20 km new PAC-3 MSE 35 km

Possible upgraded the PAC-2 launcher for host PAC-3/MIM-104F missiles Saudis do it.

They have plans for THAAD the deal is not signed for 44 launchers !
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The Kuwait aircraft – The most advanced Eurofighter ever

Kuwait’s Eurofighter Typhoons will be the most advanced of the type produced so far, with a package of capabilities on top of the previous enhancement programmes such as the Captor-E E-Scan radar and several novelties in the weapon system that will make the Kuwait Air Force at the front-line of the fighter technology when the aircraft will enter into service.

The contract is a complex one and requires such capabilities to be delivered into two subsequent releases, the first to be part of the aircraft at its entry into service and the second 24 months after.

Giancarlo Mezzanatto, Eurofighter Programme Unit Vice President of the Leonardo Aircraft Division explains:

The capability packages granted to Kuwait will include the integration of Storm Shadow and Brimstone and other air-to-surface weapons. These features enrich the multi-role characteristics of the aircraft and enhance the weapon system in a role in which the aircraft is excelling since 2011 with the operations over Libya and now Syria and Iraq.

“Moreover this configuration foresees the integration of a new advanced laser designator pod (the Lockheed Martin Sniper) that will expand Eurofighter portfolio of cleared laser designator pods, the introduction of the DRS-Cubic ACMI P5 combat training pod, an enhanced navigation aid (VOR) and the E-Scan radar CAPTOR with its antenna repositioner.”

The Typhoon Captor-E provides significantly more power than most competing systems. Combined with the fighter's large nose aperture and the unique ability to move the radar antenna, the Typhoon has a field of view of 200 degrees and the flight tests are confirming the discriminating advantages this will bring.

“This new radar, developed and produced by the Euroradar consortium, which is led by Leonardo, underpins the Typhoon’s current and future capability evolution.

“As far as the overall package is concerned, today we are well into the development phase. The Avionic System design has been completed and we are currently designing and coding the software”.
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UAE ORDERS TWO DCNS GOWIND 2500 CORVETTES

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According to French President Emmanuel Macron (
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), the United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a purchase for two Gowind 2500 corvettes from the French shipbuilder DCNS. UAE also has the option to acquire an additional two vessels.

Notes & Comments:

This would be DCNS’ third order for the Gowind-series, following
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(four Gowind 2500) and
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(up to six Gowind 2500-based Littoral Combat Ship). Displacing around 2,500 tons, the Gowind 2500-series is a multi-mission platform capable of anti-ship warfare (AShW), anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and short-to-medium-range anti-air warfare (AAW) operations.

The mainstay of the UAE Navy’s fleet currently comprises of six Baynunah-class corvettes, a sub-1,000-ton ship designed by the CMN Group in France. The Baynunah-class is a multi-mission platform, it is equipped with one 76-mm main gun, two 27-mm guns, two quad-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III anti-ship missile (AShM), one Mk49 mod-3 Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) point-defence missile system and four dual-cell RIM-162C Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) for AAW.

The inclusion of the Gowind 2500 would amount to a potent hi/lo combination with the Baynunah-class, itself a relatively potent and well-armed vessel. The technical details of UAE’s Gowind order are not yet known, but it could mirror the Baynunah program by equipping the Gowind 2500s with both MBDA and Raytheon munitions, specifically the Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and RIM-162C ESSM, respectively. The UAE Navy had already spent in the logistics and training cost of each, it would make sense to expand that to include the Gowind 2500 (resulting in a common munitions inventory).

For littoral defence the UAE Navy also has four Falaj 2 fast attack crafts (FAC) on order. Designed by the Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri, the Falaj 2 displaces 520 tons and is armed with two dual-cell MBDA Exocet MM40 Block-III AShM and two-triple VLS cells for MBDA MICA-VL SAMs.

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DUBAI: USA discussing F-35 sale to United Arab Emirates

11 November, 2017
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as UAE undertakes air force restructuring plan
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The United Arab Emirates Air Force will undergo a restructuring, guided by a study of potential threats and available systems, according to an Emirati military source.
At the air show, the deputy commander of the UAE Air Force and air defense, Brig. Gen. Rashed M. Al Shamsi stressed the importance of “strengthening the UAE air capacity” in response to a question about the potential F-35 acquisition. He noted that “equipping the Air Force requires connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, enhanced intelligence collection and distribution of the capabilities, a responsive and persistent C4ISR, and a timely and reactive dynamic targeting process.”

For his part, Staff Maj. Gen. pilot Abdullah A.Al Hashimi, assistant undersecretary for support services in the UAE ministry of defense, commented on the matter: “We in the UAE already live in a 5th generation environment; so acquiring the F-35 fighter jet is only a step forward to cope with the 5th generation mindset.”

The UAE Air Force is also working on modernizing its pilot training schools by introducing a field training program focused on air encounters similar to the ones adopted by countries in Europe and the U.S.

Air Commander Philippe Adam, commander for operations in the aviation brigade at the French Air Force said that “the UAE military capabilities are getting better with time, and this was reflected in the Yemeni conflict. It is astonishing what they have accomplished in few years.”

“We are currently forming a specialized committee to assess the risks, threats and needs of the UAE Air Force,” and then evaluate available platforms to meet requirements, he said

Much of the focus at the Dubai Air Show has been on the Gulf country’s progress toward authorization to purchase the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. According to military sources with knowledge of the matter, “the talks between the two parties are [focused on] sensitive systems in the aircraft that need export permit.” The sources refused to disclose the value of the deal, which will be limited in the first phase to the purchase of two squadrons, or 24 aircraft.

“The challenge they might face in the near future is the know-how to use [new] systems in the battlefield,” as well as improvements to intelligence and surveillance capabilities, he added.

The UAE Air Force relies primarily today on 124 F-16 Block 60 and 65 Mirage-2000 fighter jets, which have been battle proven in the Yemeni conflict among others.
 
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I am wondering what system they used to down it? ...
"... cooperation started with partners building a common picture from multiple air- and sea-based sensors, information which was transferred in sufficient time for Saudi Arabia’s ground-based Patriot system to intercept the threat."
according to 5th fleet commander: intel-sharing clear barrier to military cooperation
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related (F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread Saturday at 4:01 PM):
as UAE undertakes air force restructuring plan
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and DUBAI: USAF general sceptical of mixed F-35 and Russian fleet for UAE
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The United States may be in talks with the United Arab Emirates over a potential Lockheed Martin F-35 sale, but the US Air Force’s head of Central Command doubts the UAE would be able to operate the Joint Strike Fighter alongside a fifth-generation Russian fighter.

During a round table with reporters ahead of the Dubai Air Show, USAF officials confirmed that discussions between the US and UAE were ongoing over a possible F-35 sale. But the UAE’s loyalties appear split, after Abu Dhabi signed a memorandum of understanding with Russia in February to develop a fifth-generation fighter jet. While the USAF’s vice chief of staff declined to comment on whether that move could hinder an F-35 acquisition, his counterpart from Central Command said operating a mixed fleet of Russian and US stealth aircraft would prove challenging.

“Frankly I’m not sure it’s doable,” Lt Gen Jeffrey Harrigian told FlightGlobal at the annual Dubai International Air Chiefs Conference. “You can figure out a way to do it but we’re protected with what’s coming off the F-35… To try and introduce it into something that we don’t operate it with is not some place I would expect we’re going to go.”

Harrigian also acknowledged that the mixed fleet could exacerbate existing complexities on the F-35, such as the aircraft’s autonomic logistics information system (ALIS), which automatically sends data from the fighter back to Lockheed to streamline sustainment.

“There’s a whole litany of things that would impact beyond just the policy problem you’re going to have,” he says. “At the end of the day, it’s protecting our capabilities so that if your son or daughter is in that airplane, we haven’t given something away that an adversary could use against us in the future.”

Lockheed has previously toyed with the idea of operating the F-35 alongside Russian fighters. As recently as 2011, Lockheed offered a path to F-35 for India if New Delhi bought the F-16 Falcon. Until recently, India and Russia were partnered on India’s fifth-generation Perspective Multirole Fighter aircraft.
 

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UAE SEEKING F-35, ALSO SIGNS FOR F-16 UPGRADES AND IN TALKS FOR SU-35

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The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has signed a $1.6 billion U.S. order for upgrades for its fleet of Lockheed Martin F-16E/F Block-60 fighters. Specifics regarding the contract, which was signed at the on the opening day of the 2017 Dubai Air Show, were not provided.

The provision of the AN/APG-83 AESA radar is the marquee feature of the F-16V upgrade, but the UAE’s F-16E/F Block-60 already utilizes an active electronically-scanned array (AESA) radar in the AN/APG-80. It is possible that the UAE upgrade will primarily focus on avionics and the human-machine-interface (HMI).

Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin had also
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that the UAE was in talks with Russia for an unspecified number of Sukhoi Su-35 Flanker-E multi-role fighters from United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The Russian side hopes to finalize a contract before the end of 2017.

Abu Dhabi’s long-term aspirations involve inducting a 5th-generation fighter. Defense News
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that the UAE was seeking 24 Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II fighters.

The Deputy Commander of the UAE Air Force, Brig. Gen. Rashed M. Al-Shamsi stated, “equipping the Air Force requires connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, enhanced intelligence collection and distribution of the capabilities … [with] a timely and reactive dynamic targeting process.”

In February, the UAE and Russia’s UAC had agreed to
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a lightweight next-generation fighter. At the time, Russia’s Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov
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, “We’ve signed an agreement on industrial cooperation in the field of military engineering. This will enable us to push ahead with the fifth-generation-jet project, in which the UAE will participate.”

The status of this joint-program is unclear, especially in light of the UAE’s interest in the F-35 Lightning II, but Abu Dhabi appears to be engaging Moscow with the aim of strengthening its own aviation industry. At the Dubai Air Show, the two sides began preliminary talks on co-producing the Irkut MC 21-400 civil airliner and to pitch the MC 21-400 to the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) market.

Notes & Comments:

Two aspects to the UAE’s long-term force development plans appear to be (1) imbuing its forces with qualitative improvements and new combat capabilities, as indicated in the UAE Air Force’s Deputy Commander’s statement and (2) undertaking aviation production work in the UAE. However, it is unclear to what extent the two aspects are inter-connected.

For example, while the UAE is interested in co-producing and marketing the Irkut MC 21-400 to the MENA market, UAE-based airlines – such as Emirates, Etihad Airways and others – are primarily users of Boeing and Airbus airliners. Likewise, it is unclear where the joint fighter project UAC or even the potential Su-35 purchase would stand in the UAE’s wider modernization programs, which still appear to be geared towards premium U.S. and European solutions.


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