Pentagon accuses Chinese vessels of harassing U.S. ship

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The size of ships or what can take on what is irrelevant. It's all symbolic. China doesn't need ships when it has all those anti-ships missiles along the coast in its inventory. China not buying US debt is the larger card. I'm sure there are those in the Pentagon who would love escalation. I'm sure they think war is the greatest stimulus package of all.
 

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
Actually, the Yuzheng has been tasked with these types of patrols before this incident occurred and having it go back into an area that it is already tasked to patrol is not any kind of tit for tat in the least.

In addition, given the relative capabilities of the Yuzheng set against to the Chung-hoon, there is also no comparison.

Now, if the PLAN sent one or more of the Sovs out, say the Taizhou or the Ningbo...that would clearly be a tit for tat for one of them, and a one upmanship and significant escalation if it were two.

But I hope, and also do not believe that is going to occur.

Yeah I agree with you I think this has pretty much died down. I think Hillary's comments on the issue really cooled things down. Also after what Wen said about US bonds the other day we won't do anything provocative.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
The size of ships or what can take on what is irrelevant. It's all symbolic. China doesn't need ships when it has all those anti-ships missiles along the coast in its inventory. China not buying US debt is the larger card. I'm sure there are those in the Pentagon who would love escalation. I'm sure they think war is the greatest stimulus package of all.
Sorry, but the type of ship is relevant. If a ship is sent that has no chance of making any difference, then it is truly only symbolic and the meaning is clear for those in a position to know.

I will admit it plays well to the masses back home and perhaps that is the purpose.

I believe that things will die down now and am glad for it.

The economic issues are still there and both countries have, IMHO, an unhealthy dependency upon one another that I am sure both would like to shed themselves of and are probably working hard on both sides to do so. In that areana, the PRC has a strong hand.
 

Rising China

Junior Member
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Fishery patrol ship sent to protect interests
By Lan Tian (China Daily)

Updated: 2009-03-16 08:13

China's largest fishery administration ship reached the Xisha Islands in the South China Sea yesterday on a mission to strengthen fishery protection and maritime surveillance after an incident between Chinese vessels and a US navy ship a week ago.

Converted from a retired Chinese navy rescue vessel, the China Yuzheng 311 set sail from Guangzhou last Tuesday.

China's largest fishery administration vessel is expected to arrive in the Xisha Islands on Sunday to patrol the South China Sea after a five-day voyage from its home port in Guangzhou. [Xinhua]

"The ship was sent to safeguard the country's maritime rights and enhance fishery protection in the exclusive economic zones in the South China Sea," Liu Tianrong, vice-inspector of the Administration for Fishing Affairs and Fishing Ports on the South China Sea, was quoted by Shanghai-based Dragon TV as saying on Saturday.

At 4,450 tons, the 13.5-m-long and 15.5-m-wide ship is the largest of the fishery administration's fleet and can reach a maximum speed of 20 knots (37 km) per hour, the report said.

It will "protect fishing vessels around Nansha, Xisha and Zhongsha islands in China's southernmost maritime territory, and demonstrate Beijing's sovereignty over China's islands", director-general of the administration Wu Zhuang said last week as the ship departed for the South China Sea.

Su Hao, head of China Foreign Affairs University's Asia-Pacific research center, said the move was important in conveying a message to the world.

"The move not only reflects China's determination to safeguard its maritime interests but also shows China is prepared to protect its rights and interests in a rational and moderate way[/U]," Chinanews.com quoted him as saying.

He pointed out that the country could have sent monitoring vessels or even warships but instead exercised moderation by sending a fishery ship.[/U]

China dispatched the ship after a March 8 incident between a US spy ship and Chinese vessels.

The US said five Chinese ships had harassed the USNS Impeccable in international waters of the South China Sea.

The Foreign Ministry said the USNS Impeccable was inside China's exclusive economic zone at that time, and had violated international and Chinese laws.

The Associated Press last Friday quoted an anonymous US defense official as saying the US had assigned the heavily armed destroyer Chung-Hoon to escort the USNS Impeccable as it continued operations in the South China Sea.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
It will "protect fishing vessels around Nansha, Xisha and Zhongsha islands in China's southernmost maritime territory, and demonstrate Beijing's sovereignty over China's islands", director-general of the administration Wu Zhuang said last week as the ship departed for the South China Sea.
Well, if the Yuzheng is there to protect fishing vessels and fishery interests and demonstrate soverignty over the PRC's islands in the area...it surely will have nothing to worry about form the USNS Impeccable. The only "fish" the Impeccable watches are submarines at long range, and the Impeccable was desinged specifically to complete that mission from 70-100 miles away from any islands or other land masses.
 
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flyzies

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This is a very interesting view of the naval stand-off...part of the "wider picture" some of us were discussing earlier. See highlighted parts...

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China flexes, and the US catches a chilly reminder

In the old days countries threatened each other by sabre-rattling - moving armies, positioning navies, making physical threats. In the past few days we have seen the modern way to intimidate another power.

The Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, expressed concern about his country's $US1 trillion ($1.5 trillion) holdings of US government bonds.

"We've lent a huge amount of capital to the US, and of course we're concerned about the security of our assets. And to speak truthfully, I am a little bit worried."

That was all it took.

It marked a threshold moment in relations between the current superpower and the potential one - Beijing demonstrated that it is prepared to use its financial power over the US as an instrument of pressure.

US officials, including Barack Obama himself, hastened to reassure the Chinese over the weekend. "Not just the Chinese Government, but every investor can have absolute confidence in the soundness of investments in the US."

Wen's remark was not random. It was made in answer to a pre-approved question at his annual news conference. It came just as his Foreign Minister, Yang Jiechi, was in Washington to negotiate with the US the approach the two countries would take to the Group of 20 summit in London on April 2.

And it emerged a few weeks after Hillary Clinton went to Beijing and explicitly called on the Government to keep buying US bonds - the Obama Treasury is hoping to sell the world another $1.7 trillion in treasuries this year to pay for the US Government's deficit.

In other words, the US, the world's biggest debtor, finds itself unusually vulnerable. And China, the world's biggest creditor, is newly powerful.

It is the culmination of the different ways the US and China have pursued power. In 1992 China formally adopted a new concept of the national interest it called "comprehensive national power."

This is officially defined as "the totality of a country's economic, military and political power". Among these, economic power has held priority as the basis for all other forms of power. And this has been the national strategy ever since.

By contrast, the US, especially under George Bush, put increasing emphasis on its military as its preferred instrument of power. Fiscal prudence was not just overlooked but violated. When Bush's first treasury secretary, Paul O'Neill, warned the vice-president Dick Cheney against tax cuts because of the looming deficit, Cheney said: "Reagan proved deficits don't matter."

O'Neill's resistance cost him his job. Of course, he was right. The deficit has emerged starkly as a vulnerability of the US state. It was in Reagan's term that the US went from being the world's major creditor to becoming its biggest debtor.

Bush, his ideological and political heir, has left the US, at the end of a boom, with a deficit of half a trillion dollars. To fight off recession, Obama is putting the country into much deeper deficit.

One of China's most influential strategic thinkers, Yan Xuetong, observed some years ago that China had put its communist ideologies aside in pursuit of economic growth, while the US increasingly based its economic policies on political ideology: "Which is the ideological country now?" he asked.


The jostling of a US Navy survey vessel by five Chinese ships in the South China Sea last week provided a timely illustration of the weakness of America's narrow concept of power.

The Chinese ships crowded around the US vessel and put wooden barriers in the water; the US ship turned its firehoses on the Chinese sailors.

The US might have decided to press its case. But it would then have to face the reality that its defence budget is crucially supported by the very country it wanted to confront.


China's options for retaliation would include abandoning US government bonds. It could even dump its existing US treasuries, which could seriously damage the country's ability to finance itself on reasonable terms. Obama's recovery plans could be at risk.

But, of course, if Beijing waged fiscal war on Washington, it would rebound. Twenty-one per cent of Chinese exports go to the US. By sabotaging the US recovery, China would be crimping its own.

This is the financial version of the doctrine of "mutually assured destruction" that kept the US and the Soviet Union from launching their nuclear arsenals at each other during the Cold War.

Wen made exactly this point in his news conference: "On the foreign reserves issue, the first consideration is our national interest. But we also have to consider the stability of the overall international financial system, as the two factors are interlinked."

The market reaction to Wen's remarks took this into account. Investors read the comment as a negotiating ploy. Already, Obama has agreed to support China's demand for voting power in the International Monetary Fund, and no doubt other demands are under negotiation in Washington right now.

Still, the world nearly came to an end twice in the Cold War, during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962 and Operation Able Archer in 1983. The deterrent power of mutually assured destruction depends on rationality and sound flows of information, never assured in a real crisis.

As Lawrence Summers, the chairman of Obama's council of economic advisers, said five years ago: "It surely cannot be prudent for us as a country to rely on a kind of balance of financial terror." Yet that is exactly the calculus holding together what is left of the global economy.
 

coolieno99

Junior Member
The whole thing can be defused just by dropping an acoustic noise jammer nearby, and let it run 24 hrs/day.

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Kilo class sub launching Club-S missile.
 

maozedong

Banned Idiot
Chinese fishery vessel begins patrol in South China Sea

China's largest fishery administration vessel began patrolling the South China Sea Tuesday afternoon.

"China Yuzheng 311" will patrol the Xisha Islands such as Zhaoshu, Yongxing and the East Island to give Chinese fishermen in this area more powerful protection for their interests and safety, said Liu Guimao with the Administration of Fishery and Fishing Harbor Supervision for the South China Sea.

"Despite hot weather of nearly 30 degrees Celsius, the 311 crew was in good spirits and confident with their tasks," Liu told Xinhua.

"China Yuzheng 311" made a week-long voyage to the region from its home port in Guangzhou before arriving Tuesday noon. The vessel stopped at a naval base in Sanya in the southern Hainan Province last Thursday for supplies and set sail for the islands, which are about 180 nautical miles southeast of Hainan.

However, the vessel encountered a storm which delayed its arrival in the islands which was expected to be on Sunday, the vessel's captain, who preferred not to be named, told Xinhua.

With 112.68 meters in length, 15 meters in width, and a maximum displacement of 4,600 tonnes, the vessel is the largest of its kind in China.

Equipped with the Global Maritime Distress Safety System (GMDSS), an advanced communication system initiated by the International Maritime Organization (IMO), "China Yuzheng 311" can sail non-stop for 8,000 sea miles at a maximum speed of 22 knots. It was converted from a rescue vessel of Chinese navy

Wu Zhuang, director of the Administration of Fishery and Fishing Harbor Supervision for the South China Sea, said the vessel will escort Chinese ships around the islands where "fishing illegalities by neighboring countries are on the rise."

"China has indisputable sovereignty over the islands of the South China Sea and their adjacent waters," Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said Tuesday.

His comments came after he was asked to respond to accusations of China "flexing military might" by sending ships to the South China Sea.

"The vessel was heading there for a routine fishery administration mission," said Qin.

(Xinhua News Agency March 17, 2009)

above article from china.com.
my oppinion is Yuzhing 311 is not only for USNS Impeccable insident,because this PLAN old war ship needs time for remodel,before the insident,Yuzhing 311 was ready for this mission,but I don't deny the insident caurse this ship choose this time to patrol the south china sea.news reported China another fishery patrol ship- 2500t new ship almost ready.

atrully, Philippine President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo signing on the Huangyan Island, Nansha islands are owned Philippine Bill, so that the Philippines was occupied Nansha island "legalization."
On the other hand, the Philippine House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee chairman commended President Arroyo signed the marine baseline method, saying the protests from foreign countries are able to foresee any sovereignty stemming from the Spratly Islands dispute, the judicial decisions of the United Nations institutions "international court" to resolve.

Coincidentally, another claim to have sovereignty over part of the Nansha Islands in recent years, country of Malaysia has also repeatedly said that the Spratly Islands issue should be resolved through friendly consultation channels, such as the International court.

so,I think Yuzhing 311 is prepared for Philippine and Malaysia....countrys.
 
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bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
The whole thing can be defused just by dropping an acoustic noise jammer nearby, and let it run 24 hrs/day.

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Kilo class sub launching Club-S missile.

I could not let this pass by..If this is the case and I do not doubt this. >>> Why doesn't the PLAN deploy this device? thank you.
 

xywdx

Junior Member
I could not let this pass by..If this is the case and I do not doubt this. >>> Why doesn't the PLAN deploy this device? thank you.

Deploying this device would imply Chinese consent to playing cat and mouse games with the US on a long term basis.
I'm of the opinion that China does not want to waste time and resources in such matters, therefore they take different actions to try to permanently discourage the US from provoking China to play their games.
 
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