Only " Tibet Water to Xinjiang Project" can save China from severe economic&social unrest

AndrewS

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Agree that food is not an issues anymore from China, but remember that China import the majority of soy bean even I know most of them is for animal feed.

Food/agriculture is a strategic industry, China must protect them and keep the 95% food self-sufficiency ratio intact. When a crisis happen, nobody would export their food to anybody (which is understandable), including of course the USA.

About a month ago, Vietnam banned all rice export ... if you relay on rice import from Vietnam, you would be in big trouble. Thats why Japan want to have domestic rice still intact, even probably 5x more expensive than international price and Japan very much ~100% self sustain in term of rice.

Singapore, Hongkong, Middle East countries, some African countries and some others would be in big trouble if we had big crisis that no grains/foods can be imported

Japan’s food self-sufficiency ratio on calories basis was 79 per cent in 1960 and had declined continuously reaching 39 per cent in 2015
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China's overall food self-sufficiency is likely to fall from 94.5% in 2015 to around 91% by 2025
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I think 91% food self-sufficiency for China would still be fine, as there are still the strategic grain reserves.

Plus in a real emergency, they can cut out the wastefulness and increase production, so that there will be more than enough.
 

antiterror13

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I think 91% food self-sufficiency for China would still be fine, as there are still the strategic grain reserves.

Plus in a real emergency, they can cut out the wastefulness and increase production, so that there will be more than enough.

Agreed, but not less than 90%, ideally should be 95%

And during emergency, instead of eating 50 kgs of meat (excluding seafood) a year, it could be reduced easily to 25kg ... even healthier :)
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And the same thing for seafood. China produce the most of seafood total 81.5 Millions tons (mostly aquaculture) or per capita 58 kgs a year that could be easily cut by half to 30kg during emergency
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tidalwave

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China is facing a food crisis currently.

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If you want to build new cities in China on completely empty land, you're better off with the empty grasslands of Inner Mongolia, instead of the Xinjiang deserts in the distant West.

Inner Mongolia does actually get some rainfall, and it is only 500km to Tianjin seaport or 400km to Beijing.

Transportation costs by railway or road are so much higher than by sea.
So if you're close to a seaport, you can plug into the global trading network.
It's cheaper to send a container from China to Europe/USA, than from China to Xinjiang.

The Datong-Qinhuangdao freight railway is another example.
400million tonnes of coal is sent from Central China to Qinhuangdao port. Then it is shipped mainly to South China.
They do it this way, because rail transport direct from Central China to South China is much more expensive.

Belt and Road Initiative is mainly about the seaports and connectivity to billions of consumers along the way.
The railways and roads from China to Central Asia are secondary - because of rail transport costs and the lack of population in these areas.

Food is not such an issue. As I mentioned before, agriculture is only 1-2% of a modern economy.
There's no excess water to transform the useless desert land in inner Mongolia.

Talikmakan desert , the size of Germany can be transformed into useable land in Xin-jiang.

Going forward post virus, if China become totally self sufficient from A to Z , doesn't depend trading with the West , On flip side the West probably still need China that would the ideal situation.

China doesn't need US, EU, Taiwan, Korea,Japan....etc

China doesn't need to be rich just need to be self sufficient
 
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antiterror13

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China is facing a food crisis currently.

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There's no excess water to transform the useless desert land in inner Mongolia.

Talikmakan desert , the size of Germany can be transformed into useable land in Xin-jiang.

Going forward post virus, if China become totally self sufficient from A to Z , doesn't depend trading with the West , On flip side the West probably still need China that would the ideal situation.

China doesn't need US, EU, Taiwan, Korea,Japan....etc

China doesn't need to be rich just need to be self sufficient

hmmmm quite extreme views ;) .. does it mean that China wouldn't need UEV lithography tech, as long as self sufficient?
 

AndrewS

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There's no excess water to transform the useless desert land in inner Mongolia.

Talikmakan desert , the size of Germany can be transformed into useable land in Xin-jiang.

Why is there excess water to transform the Talikmakan desert, but not Inner Mongolia which is grassland?


Going forward post virus, if China become totally self sufficient from A to Z , doesn't depend trading with the West , On flip side the West probably still need China that would the ideal situation.

China doesn't need US, EU, Taiwan, Korea,Japan....etc

China doesn't need to be rich just need to be self sufficient

Given China's size, it will be broadly self sufficient anyway.

So going forward, other countries will need access to China far more than vice versa. That even applies to the USA.
 

antiterror13

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Why is there excess water to transform the Talikmakan desert, but not Inner Mongolia which is grassland?

Given China's size, it will be broadly self sufficient anyway.

So going forward, other countries will need access to China far more than vice versa. That even applies to the USA.

he meant ... get the water from Tibet to Taklamakan desert
 

AndrewS

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he meant ... get the water from Tibet to Taklamakan desert

It is theoretically possible. But do the high costs justify the economic benefits?

And why to the Taklimakan desert in Xinjiang?

It would be a lot easier, cheaper, quicker to send the water to Qinghai or Gansu.
These are also sparsely populated areas, but a lot closer to coastal ports and densely populated core China.
 

antiterror13

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It is theoretically possible. But do the high costs justify the economic benefits?

And why to the Taklimakan desert in Xinjiang?

It would be a lot easier, cheaper, quicker to send the water to Qinghai or Gansu.
These are also sparsely populated areas, but a lot closer to coastal ports and densely populated core China.

Good question! ...... Tibet is very high altitude and Taklamakan is low, so in theory mostly can be delivered with just gravitational force but in reality is engineering feat to do that.

Also "Tibet is the source of several of Asia’s great rivers, including the Yellow, Yangtze, Brahmaputra, Indus, and Ganges. The plateau, which has an average elevation of 4000 metres and is widely considered the world’s third pole due its vast glaciers and freshwater resources, plays a crucial role in regulating regional climate"
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