New Type98/99 MBT thread


sino52C

New Member
I've heard rumors of the 152 mm Behemoth tank, and I doubt it too. There is simply no reason to develope a bigger gun.
 

adeptitus

Captain
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xihaoli said:
Fact: The Chineses L7 t-59D (80's tech) can achieve 590mm with du sabot.
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Note: Does anyone know why the east dosent just create a 65+ ton tank to match their western counterparts? The have the engine, and if we consider mobility, both sides would be at an equal disadvantage.
Your estimate on the 105mm DU is very similiar to Jake's wargaming page estimates:
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Jake estimates the Chinese 105mm DU penatration value as follows:
Chinese Type-86 105mm DU 460mm(from "short" 105)/480mm(from "long" 105) at 2km
Chinese Type-93 105mm DU 510mm("short")/540mm("long") at 2km
Chinese Type-95 105mm DU 580mm at 2km (from "long" Type-83A 105mm)


I'm curiuos as to where you got the 590mm figure?

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As for your question on heavier tanks, I think the "Eastern Block" was dependent on Russian/Soviet designs/exports, and their MBT's are in 40-45 ton rage. Why not something heavier? Perhaps the infrastructure (roads, rail carts, bridges) had its limitations, resource cosntraints, or maybe they wanted to use higher % of common components and manufacturing equipment from previous generation MBT's?

Also, technically, Israel qualifies as an "Eastern" nation. :rofl:
The Merkava MBT is 63-70 tons.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
Pardon my ignorance, but Im a little confused with the 99 armor. Sinodefence says that the tanks has a layer or composite armor(which i assumed to be the "bricks" i see. But the page also says the tank is protected by ERA. Wheres the ERA?
 

ChinaWall65

Banned Idiot
quote from that website: "(please be aware there is a good margin of error around any of these figures)"

"Israeli/Chinese (new) 125mm 640mm at 2km"---I think that quote applies to this figure...
 

AssassinsMace

Brigadier
MIGleader said:
Pardon my ignorance, but Im a little confused with the 99 armor. Sinodefence says that the tanks has a layer or composite armor(which i assumed to be the "bricks" i see. But the page also says the tank is protected by ERA. Wheres the ERA?
Composite armor is what modern MBTs are made of today. It's basically the metal alloy melted with ceramic or other material to give the armor strength against heat damage. The bricks are the reactive armor not the overall composite armor of the tank itself. Take the original T-98 design and when you have those bricks added to the turret, you have a T-99. I know this is probably too simple of explanation since the turret design has gone through changes for the latest upgrade but that's basically it. So when the reactive armor does its job, basically you just have to replace the bricks with new ones. Simple maintenance.
 

MIGleader

Banned Idiot
AssassinsMace said:
Composite armor is what modern MBTs are made of today. It's basically the metal alloy melted with ceramic or other material to give the armor strength against heat damage. The bricks are the reactive armor not the overall composite armor of the tank itself. Take the original T-98 design and when you have those bricks added to the turret, you have a T-99. I know this is probably too simple of explanation since the turret design has gone through changes for the latest upgrade but that's basically it. So when the reactive armor does its job, basically you just have to replace the bricks with new ones. Simple maintenance.
Err...Thats not quite what i was asking. I know what compsotie and armor and ERA is. but sinodefence says the tank is equiipped with both types of armor, but i only see one type in pics.
 

AssassinsMace

Brigadier
MIGleader said:
Err...Thats not quite what i was asking. I know what compsotie and armor and ERA is. but sinodefence says the tank is equiipped with both types of armor, but i only see one type in pics.
Really? I see both. The difference of what you see on the T-99 that you don't see on the original T-98 is the reactive armor bricks. Again too simple an explanation but that's basically it.
 

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