New Type98/99 MBT thread


SinoSoldier

Colonel
Can understand stationary turret and moving hull like the Japanese and German demonstrations but turret on the move with the tank? Unless the friction between the surfaces are THAT significant, I reckon no glass of water is staying put without some adhesive assistance. Sorry, I know the 99A is good and all and has a stabilisation that can rival the Type 10 and Leopard 2 in this type of demonstration (not particularly difficult by modern tank standards even a T72 could manage) but accelerating it is impossible.
Note how the glass of water is cunningly wedged between the protrusion at the top of the gun barrel and the sleeve ridge. This is nothing but a poorly-done stunt for TV purposes.
 
Note how the glass of water is cunningly wedged between the protrusion at the top of the gun barrel and the sleeve ridge. This is nothing but a poorly-done stunt for TV purposes.
The main point of the demonstration is that the turret can move smoothly enough without the water splashing out, NOT that it can move so smoothly that a cup can stay standing unaided on a barrel, which is incredibly difficult if not impossible even motionless. The flat bottom of the cup will not balance on the arch of a cylindrical cannon barrel. If you don't see what I mean, then try balancing a cup of water on a lying down 2 liter bottle of soda... then try walking with it holding only the soda bottle.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
The main point of the demonstration is that the turret can move smoothly enough without the water splashing out, NOT that it can move so smoothly that a cup can stay standing unaided on a barrel, which is incredibly difficult if not impossible even motionless. The flat bottom of the cup will not balance on the arch of a cylindrical cannon barrel. If you don't see what I mean, then try balancing a cup of water on a lying down 2 liter bottle of soda... then try walking with it holding only the soda bottle.
The flask was far from full and it doesn't help that its top is tapered. For an effective demonstration of what you've just described, there's a video of a German Leopard 2 doing the same thing but with a full mug of beer and with the tank driving over bumps.
 

ougoah

Captain
Registered Member

Think that's the demonstration. The beer on the Leopard will need to be secured as well since the whole thing is accelerating in various directions horizontally. There was a Japanese wine glass demonstration where the gun is fixed on a target while the tank rotates on the spot. This Type 99A demonstration fixed the container to the tank since it is a moving turret demonstration like the German one. It didn't drive over bumps though.

Given the stabilisation that we've seen of even PLA tanks from the 80s, I'd say none of this is impressive. Not the German and Japanese ones either. Will wait for the Russians to replicate all this showy nonsense on a sub $1M T-72 if they can be bothered. Sure there are different levels of stabilisation but is the minute difference in microsecond stabilisation going to do that much? There are vastly more important factors to a dying platform - tank, than this.
 
The flask was far from full and it doesn't help that its top is tapered. For an effective demonstration of what you've just described, there's a video of a German Leopard 2 doing the same thing but with a full mug of beer and with the tank driving over bumps.
The Leopard had a special flat platform mounted to its cannon and the beer was only "full" because it was a third foam on top. The foam actually acts as a cushion against smaller violent turbulence in the beer. The cannon also did not swivel.

There is also a Japanese video and they too, required a flat platform and the tank barely moved on flat cement. They used red wine, filling the glass less full than the Chinese water jar, and it jarred much more violently than the water in the Chinese jar, but the glass was perfectly stable because of the flat platform, highlighting how much easier it is on a generous flat surface.

This was clearly an on-the-fly demo with no modifications to the 099 so they just wedged the jar in on a round turret. The Chinese are the only ones to attempt this without any flat platform and without any sort of foam to keep the liquid from jarring. And quite frankly, they filled it more fully with liquid than either the Germans or the Japanese. Furthermore, the jar moved slightly side-to-side since the piece was never designed to hold it, so it was far from secure. The only thing that made it easier was the tapering of the jar but to be honest, the water was so restful in it that if it were not tapered but at the same height, it would still have prevented the water from spilling.

The omission of a platform and the calmness of the water without any foam protection make the Chinese demo clearly the most difficult.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
The “test” is a bit of propaganda. Just about any third gen MBT could pass. It shows the stabilization off the gun and suspension.
But of course a little bit of cheat is possible based on where it is filmed. Smooth terrain short trip more liquid in the container. Longer trip rougher terrain.
 
The “test” is a bit of propaganda. Just about any third gen MBT could pass. It shows the stabilization off the gun and suspension.
But of course a little bit of cheat is possible based on where it is filmed. Smooth terrain short trip more liquid in the container. Longer trip rougher terrain.
The Japanese, with a 50% pass rate moving a tank about 3 meters on flat concrete using a specially-mounted platform to hold a wine glass that is 60% full, do not appreciate your trivialization of the task LOL

They berry berry angry:
 

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