New Type98/99 MBT thread

[vesicles]

They put alot more armoured blocks on it.

I don't think this is new. It's called type 99 U by some.

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(2007)

I wonder how well the laser dazzlers and tank periscope works in muddy terrains.

I don't know. I think it looks cool. I don't know about you guys, but whenever I compare type-99 with other famous MBTs, Type-99 always looks kind of "thin". The bulkier build of the new Type-99 looks cool to me.

 

[no_name]

I think because the turret is more 'squashed' and also the paint on the tank makes it more shiny. The newer version looks more rough-surfaced.

 

[IronsightSniper]

I don't know. I think it looks cool. I don't know about you guys, but whenever I compare type-99 with other famous MBTs, Type-99 always looks kind of "thin". The bulkier build of the new Type-99 looks cool to me.

For me, the increased amount of armor on the front turret makes the turret look boxy. Reminds me of the KV-2 with it's boxhead turret.

 

[plawolf]

From wikipedia:

"The mere fact that the LOS-thickness increases by angling the plate is not however the motive for applying sloped armour in armoured vehicle design. The reason for this is that this increase offers no weight benefit. To maintain a given mass of a vehicle, the area density would have to remain equal and this implies that the LOS-thickness would also have to remain constant while the slope increases, which again implies that the normal thickness decreases. In other words: to avoid increasing the weight of the vehicle, plates have to get proportionally thinner while their slope increases, a process equivalent to shearing the mass."

That only shows you cannot understand what was written.

The point that paragraph was making is that you do not save on weight from having sloped armor. Think of a right angled triangle, the vertical side is always going to be shorter than the sloping side, thus with sloping armor, you need more of it to cover the same volume compared to vertical armor.

It in no way refutes the very basic physical fact that sloping armor has the same equivalent thickness as thicker vertically positioned armor when dealing with a head-on projectile.

 

[no_name]

I thought it was like this: Sloping armour increases internal volume for the same level of protection at the same armour weight (effectively when you slope the armour you thin it but extend it out compared to straight surface, because the armour is at an angle it provides the same level of protection even if it has to be made thinner to have the same weight, but your internal volume increases.)

 

[IronsightSniper]

That only shows you cannot understand what was written.

The point that paragraph was making is that you do not save on weight from having sloped armor. Think of a right angled triangle, the vertical side is always going to be shorter than the sloping side, thus with sloping armor, you need more of it to cover the same volume compared to vertical armor.

It in no way refutes the very basic physical fact that sloping armor has the same equivalent thickness as thicker vertically positioned armor when dealing with a head-on projectile.

No, I don't think you understood the logic I was using. To avoid weight increases, like the paragraph from wiki stated, the thickness of the plate must decrease. I, working off the assumption that the Type 99 aims to retain it's relatively "light weight" did just that. Perhaps I'm wrong and that's where part of that extra 5 tonnes came from.

 

[no_name]

It seems that these armour vehicles can create smoke screen through their exhauses. There is a pic of type 99 doing similar thing:

Apparently this is made by spraying oil on the hot exhaust tubes.
I wonder if this technique is designed to spread out the tank's IR signature making it hard for IR based weapon to achieve a lock on.

I guess it might also be helpful if you are trying to affect the aim of any possibly enemy tanks from behind, both visually and via infrared.

 

[plawolf]

ERA and oil smoke. Sure would not like to be part of the infantry support for these boys.

I am not convinced how effective this method would be in terms of confusing IR or thermal sensors. I would imagine the smoke to loose heat pretty rapidly once out in the open. Besides, to have the smoke have any heat characteristics would mean the exhaust ports would quickly become the hottest thing on the tank.

So all you have managed to do is degrade your own IR sensors but light yourself up like a christmas tree on the enemy's scopes. Its probably just smoke, not hot smoke.

I think it would be mostly effective against close air support controllers or artillery observers. Anything with a decent sensor package onboard like a MBT or attack helo should be able to see through the smoke fairly easily.

 

[no_name]

I'm not sure how it is supposed to work in detail, and spraying oil on exhaust tube is just an explanation taken from another online source.

But you might be interested to know that the US has a dedicated similar platform:

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Also some pics available on mp.net:

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[Red___Sword]

Glad this thread is moving again.

Some bad ass stuff for sharing:

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