"new" SMG with chinese armed police with pictures!


Obcession

Junior Member
Why would border guards have sub machine guns (correct me if im wrong), since submachine guns have less effective range and firepower as an assault rifle? Isn't the new SMG designed for CQB? If they were border guards wouldn't it be wise to weld Type 95 assault rifle
Note that they do not represent the majority of the border guards, who should still be wielding '81's at this point, which are, personally, more adapted at range.

The tag says "公安边防", or Public Security Border Defence - Border Guards or Border Police.
 

dannytoro

New Member
...I'd love to see them deploy a sub-gun in 10mm.....a 12.96 gram bullet at 335 meters pre second packs alot more wallop then a 8.1gram one at 350meters per second.....
 

Chengdu J-10

Junior Member
The "military" version of the JS is simply an ARC95 with silencer (in place of the flash hider) chambered for the 9mm, as shown in the pictures above. The second picture above is carrying an ARC95 with silencer (not chambered for 9mm, notice the front handle bar). The only difference between the military and the police version appears to be the selective firing options (police versions don't have one).
The military version of the JS submachine gun is not chambered for 9 x 19mm rounds it chambered for 5.8 x 21mm rounds, and correctly the submachine gun is called QCW05 or Type 05. The Type 05 is a blowback operated while the ARC95 is short stroke gas piston and a rotating bolt operated firing the 5.8 x 42mm rounds. So the Type 05 is not a minaturized version of the ARC95 firing different rounds its internal operating mechanism are different to one another.
 

zaky

Junior Member
I don’t understand why was introduced two different type of amo with the same caliber (5.8 x 21mm and 5.8 x 42mm). It makes room for a lot of mistake in logistical operations.
 

ying1978

New Member
I don’t understand why was introduced two different type of amo with the same caliber (5.8 x 21mm and 5.8 x 42mm). It makes room for a lot of mistake in logistical operations.
The 5.8x21 is designed as a armour piercing pistol/SMG round similar to the FN 5.7. You simply can't feed standard rifle round like the 5.8x42 into any normal sized pistols.
 

zaky

Junior Member
That is what I am talking about. In a full war time scenario, when everything is going wrong, a conscript who was put to load the tracks with amo, how will make the difference between pistol end rifle cartages.
What do you do when you fight with QBZ95 and instead of 5.8 x 42mm amo you get 5.8 x 21mm one?
 

Gollevainen

Colonel
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Well there really isen't any difficoulties to determine wheter some cartridge is eith rifle or pistol ammunition. You need to be quite a looney to not be able to tell the difference. For example the 42 in 5.8x42 calibre means the lenght of the shell casing 4,2 cm where as the pistol ammunition is 2,1 cm of lenght. Any normal people can tell the difference between 2 and 4 cm...
 

zaky

Junior Member
I know this.
But in the case when on the box only 5.8 mm is mentioned.
In the situation when you receive the request by radio and who give the order talk about only 5.8 mm (full of back noise, jamming, everybody nervous etc.) and who load the track is a common conscript who newer read military materials (because he is a drama student:D ).
The same caliber could be a problem.
 

Gollevainen

Colonel
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Registered Member
Even conscripts are teached some basics you know;)

As the high command is aware of the simialr calibre, I'm sure they have given specific guides how to describe each ammunition in radio (the radio-displine is normal practice in all armies, you just don't go and shout anything what comes to your mind, there are strickt guides of how to behaive)

China have used decades now 7,62x39, 7,62x53R and the pistol calibre 7,62x25...I'm pretty sure they can manage with the new calibres as well...
 

jwangyue

Junior Member
One of my aunts used to work in an ammunation factory before she retired. I remember at least a few years ago, the prints on the ammo box would say "7.62mm Rifle Cartrige" or "7.62mm Handgun Cartrige" and even as a kid without any military training. I do know the difference.
 

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