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Since this is a new J-10 thread, I would like to add that if the J-10 is in high rate production this year, perhaps China should request to have the J-10 fly a demonstration at the next Paris Airshow or something. I'd love to see this aircraft fly. And what better way to show China's aircraft development than a public display. What do you guys think?
petty officer1
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I totally agree with sea dog, we have all saw JH-17 fly in action, but never
J-10.
But after saw JH-17 in action (very sweet). I would expect more out of J-10 in climbing rate, and manuvebility.
J-10.
But after saw JH-17 in action (very sweet). I would expect more out of J-10 in climbing rate, and manuvebility.
It's just a thing with Chinese, they are just incredibly paranoid about showing their latest stuff. btw, it's JF-17 and JH-7, never heard of JH-17. Especially since Americans have been playing up the flanker threat and it's capability is known. China tries to keep the capabilities of J-10 down a little bit, so the Americans won't know how good it really is. Most people would estimate that flankers are better than J-10, when it really is the other way around. So Americans would probably be more prepared toward flankers. At least that's what I think China's secret plan is.
tphuang said:
You may be right. I've heard that J-10 is built to outclass Flankers in maneuverability. But still, if China is paranoid about showing its complete maneuvering envelope, then they could fly a more flat show. They could fly it more like a Flanker during this type of demonstration. I think they should do it myself.
MIGleader
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Is there a reason why we have never seen a j-10 in a Plaaf excercise, although it;s been in service for nearly two years now?
Americans know how to fight a flanker because they have purchsed them in the past from russia. Thats why I'm against China selling the j-10 to any other nation, perhaps except pakistan. This is so the nation does not retail the fighters to the u.s
Americans know how to fight a flanker because they have purchsed them in the past from russia. Thats why I'm against China selling the j-10 to any other nation, perhaps except pakistan. This is so the nation does not retail the fighters to the u.s
actually, J-10 has definitely been in plaaf exercise in the past. Probably against every other fighter in the plaaf inventory. The results have even been posted in several Chinese military magazines, but of course, calling it "new Jian" rather than "Jian-10". Of course, since these are not in English, it's often hard to take them seriously if you are an English speaker. If you look at plaaf, the Americans probably have had a good look at every other fighter in plaaf. That's how they discovered what a piece of junk J-8II was. I'm sure the Americans have a pretty good idea of flankers and fulcrum by now with all of the exercises that they have been in.
I do agree with Sea Dog though, a simple flight demonstration that does not show the complete manuverability probably won't do much harm. I guess pla is just too ingrained in the "Art of war" philosophy.
I do agree with Sea Dog though, a simple flight demonstration that does not show the complete manuverability probably won't do much harm. I guess pla is just too ingrained in the "Art of war" philosophy.
Sea Dog said:
China does not put entire new aircraft in airshows outside of the country. And in the last few years or so, they have also stopped displaying real aircraft in internal airshows and defense expos either. The closest thing you might ever see a chance for them to actually be in a public display would be the military parade on National Flag Day in October.
The best way to get an idea of the plane's performance might be to make a computer simulation based on known and estimated data.
Here is one alleged exercise involving Su-27SKs and J-10s.
巡抚泄密前年共军西北歼-10和苏-27sk之秘密对抗演习 5
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巡抚泄密前年共军西北歼-10和苏-27sk之秘密对抗演习 5
某国某新型自产战斗机与苏27sk之秘密对抗演习之问题---5 朕继续胡说【皇上】
重新开始地对抗演习
上午，新型号两个双机编队梯队，编队间间隔30公里，编队长僚机间隔5公里，编队前后间隔5公里。
高度100米以下，，27编队情况大致相当
新型西编队，僚机，电子战系统截获一个持续6秒的雷达信号，并确定方向在山麓与丘陵边缘地带，判断为沿山区边界超低空飞行地27。，该信号随即消失，新型西编队长机急速爬升至500米，随后俯冲至50米，迅速折向山区，僚机保持超低空，折向长机方位。数秒后，传感器截获一个丘陵升起的信号，距离约40，僚机保持50米高度穿谷，完成射击程序仰射。指挥部判定该信号被击落，乃是27编队长机，当时紧贴丘陵作cap飞行，企图截击跃升新型机
新型双机东编队僚机座舱掉电，紧急接通后，态势显示没有恢复，其他系统正常，请示后指挥部，同意继续。该机启动雷达做间歇搜索，未果。被另一27编队僚机截获雷达信号，确定大致方向。
27僚机经验丰富，根据信号方位和地形，判断该机可能会在河道紧贴河面转弯，降低高度，在附近待机。第三次截获新型机雷达信号后，大致确定了其方位，采取传感器搜索，在27公里距离上发现目标正在转弯，于是从其侧后攻击，结果判断为该新型机被击落。
随后，双方没有再获战果
此间，新型方地面雷达截获27信号仅10次，平均6个点
27方地面雷达截获新型方13次，平均9个点
27即在雷达截获新型方1次，其他系统截获16次
新型方记载雷达截获27方4次，其他系统截获11次
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New pic of no. 1013 with SD-10 !!!
And just one question regarding the ongoing discussion on later or earlier aircraft, prototypes, pre-serial and serial machines and their differences !
I always thought that the later production machines can be distinguished from their earlier cousins’ esp. by their 3-part gear door arrangement. For that particular bird “1013” we assume it as a pre-production machine and we know many pictures of it with the older two-door arrangement.
Then there appeared that strange PL-12 equipped J-10A picture with the typical light grey-blue grey older camouflage with the latest doors but its numbers erased !
Here on this picture it seems that our old friend no. 1013 now has the new doors re-fitted !!!
Any comments ???
Deino
And just one question regarding the ongoing discussion on later or earlier aircraft, prototypes, pre-serial and serial machines and their differences !
I always thought that the later production machines can be distinguished from their earlier cousins’ esp. by their 3-part gear door arrangement. For that particular bird “1013” we assume it as a pre-production machine and we know many pictures of it with the older two-door arrangement.
Then there appeared that strange PL-12 equipped J-10A picture with the typical light grey-blue grey older camouflage with the latest doors but its numbers erased !
Here on this picture it seems that our old friend no. 1013 now has the new doors re-fitted !!!
Any comments ???
Deino
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