Naval firepower rated: China comes 4th

planeman

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I'm pretty much done with cataloging the world's main navies, adding up their anti-ship missiles and basically calculating who has the most firepower.

The firepower rating basically works by adding up all the anti-ship missiles that could be fired without reloads. It is far from perfect, and in itself lacks context, but it is useful all the same. It includes shore batteries, aircraft launched and submarine launched.

Each missile type is scored on criteria of:
Max range: 1 point per km
Warhead: ½ point per kg
Max speed: 1 point per m/s
Sophistication: 0~1000, with Harpoon (Block I) as a benchmark at 850.

I have had to make estimations and assumptions – it is not feasible to find out how many of a certain missile a particular country has in stock so I’ve had to assume that every missile tube would be full and there’s enough missiles to load every plane with its normal fit etc. In some instances I’ve been able to use more specific info on delivered numbers etc, but in general this results in EXAGERATED firepower in ALL navies.

I considered CURRENT capabilities not future ones.

The results:
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As you can see, Russia wins by a substantial margin. Both the US and Russia's figures are probably exaggerated to similar extents – in general Russian anti-ship missiles have a longer range, bigger warhead and travel MUCH faster than the American Harpoon family. I’ve over-counted Harpoons by assuming that carrier air wings carry enough rounds to load every Hornet with two, and also that the attack subs carry four each when in fact they are rarely deployed.

But the general indication, that the Russian Navy has more readily available anti-ship missile firepower is very fair. Anti-ship warfare seems not to be the USNs priority, whereas Russia is still, at least in procurement terms, more concerned with having the ability to counter the US’s huge advantage in carriers.

Surprise results
Aside from US coming in second, despite Russia’s declining fleet, there were several results I wasn’t expecting:

China rising; the Chinese fleet is increasingly modernized, with most destroyers now carrying a whopping sixteen anti-ship missiles compared to the more typical four or eight. India is following this trend also. The sixteen-missile punch allows saturation attacks with several missiles being launched in place of one – somewhat making up for the slightly lesser technology of the mainstream Chinese missiles. The later YJ-8 series (YJ-82, JY-83) have good ranges which is a contributory factor.

Taiwan gets its high score mostly by its vast fleet of small missile boats each with two not-so-impressive Hsiung Feng I missiles. Combined with the Ching Kuo’s stated ability to carry 3 (I’ve counted 2 as normal) Hsiung Feng II missiles, which I’ve had to assume Taiwan has sufficient stocks of, is another contributory factor.

UK still OK. OK, so the Royal Navy is no longer ruler of the waves, but with the retirement of the Sea Eagle anti-ship missile which equipped to Tornado GR.4 squadrons, I expected the UK to come out worse than they did.

Australia Does so well mainly because of the large number of Harpoon equipped air force (RAAF) Hornets, F-111 and Orion aircraft. The RAN itself provides a puny anti-ship punch without the RAAF.

France, home of the Exocet, does so poorly because it has hardly updated its missile stocks. The basic MM-38/40 Exocet is comparatively short ranged and less sophisticated than the Harpoon. Whilst there are more up to date turbo-jet versions, the actual Exocets in French service are still MM-38 (10 ships), MM-40 (14 Ships) and the equivalent SM-39 submarine launched and AS-39 air launched versions. As far as I am aware the super-sonic replacement (ANS?) has been shelved. The French habit of carrying only 4 Exocets on many combatants also eats into their firepower rating.

Other highly regarded navies like Italy, Spain and Netherlands have clearly felt the post-cold-war bite and sunk low. Chile, a country which pioneered the use of torpedoes in the 1900s is now somewhat toothless, as is Brazil despite their 35,000ton aircraft carrier.

Talking of carrier operators, here’s an interesting observation:
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Imagine that, most countries that operate aircraft carriers don’t equip their carrier fighters with anti-ship missiles(!).
 
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adeptitus

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I'm curious to know if you count anti-ship missiles only, or include cruise missiles (not necessarily anti-ship) as well? i.e. the Korean KDX-III will be equipped with 32 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 16 Harpoons, would you count the Harpoons only, or both?
 

planeman

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adeptitus said:
I'm curious to know if you count anti-ship missiles only, or include cruise missiles (not necessarily anti-ship) as well? i.e. the Korean KDX-III will be equipped with 32 Tomahawk cruise missiles and 16 Harpoons, would you count the Harpoons only, or both?

Just the anti-ship missiles. Things like Tomahawk are not designed for anti-shipping role and are less effective at it. The USN does not deploy any specifically anti-ship versions of the Tomahawk.
 

Sea Dog

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The USA, using carriers has the longest range in the ASuW role. Much further than Russia. And yes, the USN does have ASuW as a priority, they just do it differently. They use subs, and aircraft from carriers to outrange any and all opponents. And BTW, the TacTom does have the ability (limited however) to range and hit ships at sea. At ranges approaching 1600 Km with loitering capability. They probably home using IR, HOJ, and perhaps real-time imagery. Due to the fact it's not a dedicated ASM, I wouldn't count it either.

At any rate, as I've said before, ASM range is iffy due to the fact that most navies don't have the ability to detect, track, ID, localize, and engage with the sensor networks they have. As such, most ship-to-ship naval combat is likely to take place at 100-120 Km. The limiting factor is radar systems and connecticity. Radar waves are degraded with distance. Trust me, I've worked in this area. There is currently not one navy today that is equipped to fight a heavy duty ASuW war against the USA. Due to the fact that they can't work their systems within range of USN ships. Even Russian missile systems need to get within 500 Km to work, and they still need the sensor network which they don't have. The USA can fight the ASuW war beyond 1500 Km. That's 3 times further. These are the reasons why the USA isn't concerned with China and Russia with a 250 Km missile. That type of ship-to-ship warfare just isn't an issue for USN. Maybe between other navies it might be.
 
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crobato

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Su-33s don't actually carry Sunburns. This fact won't change Russia's ranking however.

China might slip past Japan if the number of Songs, new Kilos, Su-30MK2s and the new FACs are counted in. Each of the new FACs alone could carry 8 YJ-83s.
 

Sea Dog

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planeman said:
I considered CURRENT capabilities not future ones.

Considering current capabilities, Russia cannot put most of these missiles to sea. So are you just talking about stockpiles of missiles and overall capabilities of the missile itself? Yes, Russia's missiles have much more firepower built in. But in terms of overall brute force capability to fight "Real" ASuW battles, no one comes even close to USN firepower. This is measured in terms of seaworthy ships, assembled and deployed systems, and the ability to put them on target today if necessary. Russia with today's capability can't even put half of the firepower the USN could.

Russia's missiles are definitely the most sophisticated, but USN is just way more brutal in terms of being able to put missiles on targets. So it depends on how you measure "firepower".
 

planeman

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Blimey, I've not counted China's FACs at all??!!!???? my err



Sea Dog, no guessing where you're from, lol. Servicability is a key factor that must be factoring in to put the total firepower rating into CONTEXT but that sort of an analysis is up to the reader - I've just gone and got the raw data.

This isn't a "US bashing" exercise at all. I really expected USN to come out wayyyyy on top. But it turns out the USN.....

1. Does not have operation Harpoon Block IIs - unlike Denmark, lol.
2. None of the Perry's have Harpoon capability any more.
3. Half the Burkes don't have Harpoon tubes fitted and none of the future ones will.
4. The anti-ship version of the Tommahawk has been withdrawn
5. The SSNs haven't carried Harpoons for several years although they retain the capability (I've counted them in as 4 missiles per boat).

The Harpoons in service are essentially 1970s technology supported by the worlds best sensor/command capability.


Talking of Russian anti-ship assets, I counted the Su-33s as carrying 2 Kh-17As not Moskit. Same for the 8 Su-32s, except I gave them a 'normal' load of 4 missiles.
 

Sea Dog

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I don't think you understand how the USN fights the ASuW battle. Ship-to-ship warfare of this type is not a concern of the USN because they simply outrange every single navy out there using carrier aircraft and submarines, and other stuff. By hundreds of miles. Anti-ship missiles are not the only way to destroy ships BTW. The Perry's were never intended to be an ASuW frigate. It is now fitted as an ASW component primarily. The Tomahawk does indeed have the ability to target ships. TASM's have been removed from service, but the newer versions coming online have a limited but useful ability to target ships as described above. At 1600 Km. With the ability to loiter. And Harpoon has been updated since 1982 which was the last block developed for USN service.

Due to the fact that most navies do not have the forward deployed assets for detection, targeting, and localization of targets, a missile with 200 or greater Km range is not that much of a concern for USN. Plus right now Harpoon's range is not even an issue because of the lack of targeting systems of opposing navies. Harpoon has plenty of range. ;) Plus if you look at how many surface units are currently active in the Pacific and Northern Fleets of Russia, they don't have many deploying. Like I said, they can't put even half of the firepower the USN can. Right now, the USN outranges every other navy by a minimum of at least 3 times in the ASuW spectrum.

P.S. I don't see this as USA bashing. So don't worry. I just wondered how you were measuring. In terms of missile stockpile, or missile ability, I say Russia takes the cake. In terms of actually fighting an ASuW war, the USA is just more brutal in application.

P.S.S. You say you leave some things up to the reader. Well, if you're trying to measure "real" naval firepower, you just can't ignore those things. You're trying to skew your results to give you the results you want. You only use anti-ship missiles....not even using deployable or serviceable as a baseline. Nor do you use the ability to target or have connectivity. I also notice torpedoes, electronic warfare, and missile defenses are not part of your analysis. Nor are submarines, space based surveillance, and other components of ASuW firepower.
 
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