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I am not sure what the critic said of CRA is valid It might be true to AA But Chinese in SEA still definitely practice Chinese tradition and value more so than Chinese in China . A lot SEA OC when they travel to china does not see much of Chinese culture except the vestiges of old building that is mostly empty building or temple that more of a show than house of worship
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‘Crazy Rich Asians’ Has Soared, but It May Not Fly in China
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“Crazy Rich Asians” does not yet have a release date in China. Under China’s strict quota system, a limited number of foreign films are approved for import every year and some experts are skeptical about the movie’s chances there.CreditCreditSanja Bucko/Warner Bros. Entertainment, via Associated Press
By Amy Qin
Sept. 6, 2018
HONG KONG — “Crazy Rich Asians,” the first major Hollywood studio release in 25 years with an all-Asian cast, has been hailed as a breakthrough in the United States, one that has
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. It has been dominating in other markets with large ethnic Chinese populations as well, including Taiwan and
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, where the film is set.

With its cast of mostly ethnic Chinese characters, a soundtrack featuring a number of Chinese artists and story notes that emphasize Chinese culture, it would also seem assured of success in China, the world’s second largest film market, which is playing a growing role in Hollywood’s calculations. The movie even opens with a quote from Napoleon: “China is a sleeping giant. Let her sleep, for when she wakes she will move the world.”

And yet the film has not resonated with the “sleeping giant” and may not even be released there. Reached for comment this week, John Penotti, one of the film’s producers, said the application for official release in China was “still ongoing.”

Under China’s strict quota system, a limited number of foreign films are approved for import every year and some experts are skeptical about the movie’s chances. The depictions of profligate spending and vast wealth inequality in “Crazy Rich Asians,” they say, might not sit well with Chinese officials amid the country’s growing push for positive “
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, a Chinese website (compared to an audience approval score of 86 percent on
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). One Douban reviewer compared the viewing experience to the pleasant surprise of “finding a decent dish in a popular American Chinatown restaurant.” Another panned it, calling the movie “crazy stereotypical.”


Dong Ming, a Shanghai film critic, said: “Maybe the content of the film wouldn’t get censored but it’s a question of whether the film would even be popular in China.”

“Chinese people really dislike this kind of westernized Chinese culture,” he added, comparing the movie to American Chinese food staples like General Tso’s chicken and fortune cookies. “The flavor is not authentic.”


The stark contrast speaks to the wide gap between the mainland Chinese experience and the Chinese diaspora experience — and in particular, the experience of ethnic Chinese communities who are minority populations in Western countries.

In America, many Asian-Americans have spoken out about the emotional impact of feeling represented onscreen in a major Hollywood film.

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You’re 20 years old.
You’ve spent the past several years repatriating yourself. You get your family’s name inked into your skin. That character is there forever. You won’t let anyone make you feel the way you did all those years ago. You love being Chinese.

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You’re 25 years old.
You see a movie with an all-asian cast at a screening and for some reason you’re crying and you can’t stop. You’ve never seen a cast like this in Hollywood. Everyone is beautiful.
You’re so happy you’re Chinese.
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. “I want all of them to have an anthem that makes them feel as beautiful as your words and melody made me feel when I needed it most.”

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to exert influence over China’s diaspora communities run the risk of falling flat or igniting a backlash that would only see them drifting further away.

“Crazy Rich Asians” showed “Chineseness at its most potent,” said Ying Zhu, a professor of cinema studies at City University of New York. By evoking a more nuanced vision of diaspora culture, she added, the film “galvanized the diaspora Chinese in a way that the mainland film industry — under the tight grip of the Communist Party — has not been able to deliver.”

The challenge of navigating complex racial sensitivities on both sides of the Pacific was again evident in 2016 with the release of “The Great Wall,” the high-profile, China-Hollywood coproduction. The decision to cast Matt Damon in the lead role was
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by Asian-American actors as “white savior complex ” and “whitewashing,” referring to the practice of casting white actors in roles originally conceived as Asian or nonwhite.

Filmmakers were caught off-guard by the criticism. In their mind, the film, if anything, was conceived as an effort to avoid another diversity problem: pandering.

Chinese audiences had become irritated with Hollywood studios for perfunctorily dropping Chinese actors and Chinese elements into movies in what appeared to be a blatant effort to pander to moviegoers. Making a movie with a mostly Chinese cast that was set in China was meant to solve that problem.

To many in China, where audiences are accustomed to seeing Chinese stars on screen, the concept of whitewashing was completely foreign. They may have shared a common goal — to see more meaningful movie roles for ethnically Asian actors — but their reasons for wanting it were totally different.

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explaining the whitewashing controversy in the Beijing Youth Daily newspaper.

There is, however, at least one area of cultural exchange that seems to be resonating with both mainland Chinese and the diaspora population in North America. Chinese up-and-coming hip-hop artists and rappers are finding crossover success, with substantial and growing fan bases both in China and abroad.

The “Crazy Rich Asians” soundtrack features one of those artists, an up-and-coming female rapper named Vava.
"My New Swag" by Vava.CreditCreditVideo by 華納音樂 Warner Music Taiwan Official

Of course the life experiences of Chinese in China are different from Chinese elsewhere, it is both presumptuous and illogical to think that they would be the same. You seem to be pre-occupied with being judgmental about some absolutist practice of "Chinese tradition and value". I see the many flavors of practicing Chinese traditions and values as inherent diversity to be expected and celebrated of a culture of well over a billion people spread all over the world.
 

solarz

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Of course the life experiences of Chinese in China are different from Chinese elsewhere, it is both presumptuous and illogical to think that they would be the same. You seem to be pre-occupied with being judgmental about some absolutist practice of "Chinese tradition and value". I see the many flavors of practicing Chinese traditions and values as inherent diversity to be expected and celebrated of a culture of well over a billion people spread all over the world.

You’re 25 years old.
You see a movie with an all-asian cast at a screening and for some reason you’re crying and you can’t stop. You’ve never seen a cast like this in Hollywood. Everyone is beautiful.

I think this quote says it all. If you're a Chinese immigrant and you rarely see any representation of your culture, you'd be really excited about this mainstream movie.

I used to live in Montreal, and I remember I used to get really excited by the Asian film festival that showcased 20-year-old kung fu movies.

Now that I live in Toronto, we regularly have Chinese movies playing in theatres. I watched Wolf Warrior 2 in theatre.
 

Hendrik_2000

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I think this quote says it all. If you're a Chinese immigrant and you rarely see any representation of your culture, you'd be really excited about this mainstream movie.

I used to live in Montreal, and I remember I used to get really excited by the Asian film festival that showcased 20-year-old kung fu movies.

Now that I live in Toronto, we regularly have Chinese movies playing in theatres. I watched Wolf Warrior 2 in theatre.

I think this quote below is more important and exactly what the author want to convey It is about self respect and self worth I know where he come from In the 60's when China is still close A lot of overseas Chinese went to Hongkong and and go to Shadian if I am not wrong There is this hill overlooking China And Kevin parent took him there and tell him beyond those mountain is China Never forget where you come from. Proud of your heritage even though they are westernized people look up to us in SEA. We don't feel like we are marginalized there is no self hate

You’re 20 years old.
You’ve spent the past several years repatriating yourself. You get your family’s name inked into your skin. That character is there forever. You won’t let anyone make you feel the way you did all those years ago. You love being Chinese.
 
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solarz

Brigadier
I think this quote below is more important and exactly what the author want to convey It is about self respect and self worth I know where he come from In the 60's when China is still close A lot of overseas Chinese went to Hongkong and and go to Shadian if I am not wrong There is this hill overlooking China And Kevin parent took him there and tell him beyond those mountain is China Never forget where you come from. Proud of your heritage even though they are westernized people look up to us in SEA. We don't feel like we are marginalized there is no self hate

Personally, I don't see what that has to do with a movie, but maybe that's just me.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Personally, I don't see what that has to do with a movie, but maybe that's just me.

It not the central theme of the movie but It also convey hidden subtle message "respect yourself"
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You’re 8 years old. Your 3rd grade class orders chinese food & your father delivers it. You are so excited to see your pops in school. He’s your hero. But apparently other kids don’t think he’s so cool. They laugh at him and mimic his accent. You don’t want to be Chinese anymore.
 

solarz

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It not the central theme of the movie but It also convey subtle message "respect yourself"
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You’re 8 years old. Your 3rd grade class orders chinese food & your father delivers it. You are so excited to see your pops in school. He’s your hero. But apparently other kids don’t think he’s so cool. They laugh at him and mimic his accent. You don’t want to be Chinese anymore.

To put it bluntly, people respect wealth. Kids made fun of her dad because delivering chinese food is a low social status job.

I immigrated to Canada in 1989. I know well what the perceptions of Chinese were back then, especially mainlander Chinese. We faced discrimination not only from white people, but from Hongkongers and Taiwanese as well. I like to think I got through those times by holding fiercely onto my mainland Chinese identity.

Things began to change in the 2000's. Suddenly, there was an influx of wealthy mainland Chinese students. Slowly, Mandarin began to replace Cantonese as the default "Chinese" language. At first, it was only in the new Sichuan and Shanghai restaurants, but now even in Cantonese restaurants that have been there for 30 years, waiters speak mandarin.

Instead of being looked down as poor, mainlanders are now assumed to be rich. Banks started adding Chinese to their ATMs, and hiring mandarin-speaking tellers and financial advisors.

All that is only possible because of China's rise in prosperity. The social status of overseas Chinese, no matter what generation and no matter what country, is intimately tied to the strength of the Chinese Nation.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I don't think we in SEA derive our identity from PRC. We certainly proud what PRC has achieved and wished the best.But we have separate identity It is Chinese but it has more to do with Chinese culture in SEA and what we have achieved in SEA as a source of pride and inspiration. It easier for us to do because so many of us in SEA and our root is so deep here. But most of all we respect ourselves

Listen to this excellent documentary(Chinese and subtitle) about a poor guy who become millionaire Dr Tan Ta Sen. But instead of living in luxury he used his money and time to refurbish historic site to tell the future generation as to who we are and what value do we hold. He said when we are rich we should give back to the society
He spend years and million to refurbish Tan Kim Seng house Tan is an old philanthropic in 1800 who help his poor Chinese countrymen in the colonial era. He built school, road,hospital , bridges with his own money for the poor. But the house fell into disrepair so he take it upon himself to repair it. Dr Tan said great men are the most valuable asset to a society or country and money is not I want to carry this legacy. I want future generation to learn from him

And the story of a guy who get bankrupt from financial crisis in 2007 but rise above it to become the largest developer in SEA. Very moving
It is done by channel 8 a mandarin channel own by Singapore government

 
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Hendrik_2000

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In the film they highlight the food culture of Singapore like hawker center in Newton road which used to be good in the old day but these days it is more for tourist and expensive . It happened to be Kevin Kwan favorite hawker center since he live close nearby. The dish he most missed is Wantan mee or Wonton noodle a Cantonese specialty. He said he couldn't get anything like that in New York.

In the old days there is itinerant hawker that sell this food But in the 70's the government built hawker center to house these people to make life easier as well as more hygienic with running water , sanitary, electricity. It is way to earn money legally for many poor family. This video tell this food culture and the family struggle to survive depending only on family bond, hard work.

These day the hawker will most likely have college degree and some of them even MBA or triple EEE They do this job out of loyalty to the family and to preserve hard won business and family tradition. but also very profitable business and independent. some of them drove Mercedes and own nice home
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