Motion for the demographics thread to be reopened

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vincent

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If any of you truly care about the population in China, go to China, have 10 kids and leave them there.

Talking about it solves nothing and none of you have any influence on Chinese government. Go do something more productive like having kids.
 

jnd85

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Why need people assume that only rising populations are a good thing? Overpopulation is also a problem, as is the possibility of plateauing at an unsustainably high population level. If the prior statements are true, or even considerable, then decreasing population should be considered as possibly being a good thing.

There is a machismo argument think that more babies = better by virtue of being more manly somehow. Frankly, this logic seems misguided and juvenile.

In the discourse I have observed elsewhere there is too much emphasis on how population impacts an infinitely increasing GDP without consideration for the implications of infinite growth for other aspects of life and the definitions of prosperity. In Chinese there is the concept of looking at a given whole system as a bucket of water, and individual focus-areas are wooden planks that make up the sides of the bucket. Short planks limit how much water can go in the bucket, but excessively long planks are just as useless.

Discussing an issue is not the same as insulting the region it impacts. To the best of my knowledge there is not a single industrialised country in the world that is not seeing declining birth rates, so why would discussing the phenomenon as it pertains to China be taken as insulting? Where is the insult? It's the job of moderators to keep things on track, and it works perfectly well in most threads.

Anyway, as I said before, I am in favor of reopening.
 

BasilicaLew

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I think the issue is very key to China, but it shouldn't be very active, it should stick to news about it. There's only one real way to solve it and China is trying really hard to do it, and thats automation. But also its still a area where China is very weak, I understand also its a area China bashers talk about alot, but it cant be hidden that China's population is having a really hard time. Sometimes this fourms adverse nature to criticism to China seems unacademic.
 

Randomuser

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It's an important question that the world itself wants to answer.

But unfortunately right now there isn't much to discuss. This isn't like those military or tech threads where you get a real update after 3 months. It is basically people repeating themselves over and over again. We won't have any real update until years later.

Funny enough I don't see the west having all these dedicated threads to it even though they had this issue for decades. White replacement rate is considered a racist taboo topic so those people aren't even serious about actually tackling it.
 

AssassinsMace

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I don't really care if the thread is reopened or not. I like a good debate. I could say the same with the soft power thread in here. It's the same thing being it's about bashing China for not having it. There's no such thing as the Western version of soft power. It's just power. They just want to be nitpicky just so they can say China doesn't have it. I could argue that the US which is suppose to be the masters of soft power only "have it" because of hundreds of years of hard power that they used. It's drawing a conclusion first and choosing only the points on the way that lead to that conclusion. Who are the people who aren't going to let go of it are the ones looking to knock China. Just look at the the "Are You Dead?" app that's making news in the West. Look at the conclusions going on claiming how Chinese are lonely therefore the Chinese have failed their society which always comes to the West claiming Chinese have to embrace Western culture to deal with it. Yeah and lonely Americans end up committing serial and mass murders... You can draw the same conclusions by their own logic. That's the difference between Chinese and Westerners. Westerners are well aware of not admitting their faults because they know people will exploit it to their disadvantage like they do against others. The irony is Westerners fault Chinese for not admitting such things or are critical of the negatives of their own society. These are examples of how they're wrong. All they want to hear is Chinese admit Western culture is superior. That's their whole point.
 

Nevermore

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This issue isn't necessarily pessimistic, but rather a long-term and nearly irreversible situation. While initial discussions can be engaging and yield constructive suggestions, prolonged debates inevitably devolve into repetitive cycles, followed by a wave of negative emotions.
I would suggest that if there is significant news, such as policy changes, discussions can be held directly in the relevant news thread. After the discussion concludes, administrators can move the discussion thread to the dedicated population thread and then lock the thread.
 
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