Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

Re: Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

cataphract said:

That would be necessary to intercept a Nuclear tipped ballistic missile, but to stop an AShBM, it only needs to damage, or change the trajectory of the missile. So these would still be valid hits.

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As I said before this test is conducted under the most ideal condition . Like pre warn and predicted flight path . In real operating condition this is not the case the ASBM will have evading terminal attack or using multi warheads

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Multi-warheads can be countered with multi-kill vehicles.

Evasion maneuvers are irrelevant in the end game maneuver.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

IronsightSniper said:

Multi-warheads can be countered with multi-kill vehicles.

Evasion maneuvers are irrelevant in the end game maneuver.

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Does any country has this system in operation now ?. Evading maneuver is standard practice in modern missile system.It is here and now and not some fantasy world of dr spock

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

I still can't believe that people actually believe the anti ship ballisitc missiles actually exist.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Hendrik_2000 said:

Does any country has this system in operation now ?. Evading maneuver is standard practice in modern missile system.It is here and now and not some fantasy world of dr spock

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Which system? If you're talking about MKVs, no, but then I can counter with the "DF-21Ds are not operational" argument. And like I said, evading maneuvers are NOT relevant. They have to go in a logical path of attack for the end game. If it doesn't it'll miss.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

pugachev_diver said:

I still can't believe that people actually believe the anti ship ballisitc missiles actually exist.

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Non other than admiral Willard commander of Pacom. And who are you to say otherwise prove your credential like designer of missile system

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

pugachev_diver said:

I still can't believe that people actually believe the anti ship ballisitc missiles actually exist.

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Yep he stated that. And in another thread he stated..

Re: Sizing Up China's Military Capabilities by Richard Fisher

Majority of his sources are biased and messed up. I still don't believe the fact that the so called anti ship ballistic missiles exist. This was a random rumour that started in the Chinese military forums around 2003-2004 period. It started off as one of those random topics where people discuss the possibility of utilizing such technologies. Then it grew bigger and bigger, finally reaching the point that even the US DoD uses it to lure more budget.
Somehow, this reminds me of the Star Wars program launched by Reagan, which was somewhat true, but mostly launched to drag down the Russians with something that doesn't exist.

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Question is..is he right? Who knows? There have been no confirmed public test of the DF-21.

you guys still try to argue about secret test and land base test. the fact is the ASBM is worthless if it didn't do few actual tests. a rotate concrete block on land is not a real full test. furthermore ASBM will be detected by US/Russia. some argue about US BD capability, well it already has several live test, and yet we haven't seen any ASBM test or has any data support that. sinomilitaryfans got to stop make assumption on ASBM without actual FACTS/DATA/REPORTS!!! also could someone link me on that concrete block test, i like to know if it has any parameter regarding the test.

i.e. said:

also, AsHBM doesn't have to be a traditional ballistic war head...
They can easily design a re-entry pouch that release submunitions in size of radar guided 100 lb SDBs.

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you watch too much sci-fi movie. radar guided 100lb bomb travel at terminal speed gotta be mini radar guidence system i never seen before.

Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

s002wjh said:

you guys still try to argue about secret test and land base test. the fact is the ASBM is worthless if it didn't do few actual tests. a rotate concrete block on land is not a real full test. furthermore ASBM will be detected by US/Russia. some argue about US BD capability, well it already has several live test, and yet we haven't seen any ASBM test or has any data support that. sinomilitaryfans got to stop make assumption on ASBM without actual FACTS/DATA/REPORTS!!! also could someone link me on that concrete block test, i like to know if it has any parameter regarding the test.

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I don't disagree that actual "facts/data/reports" would be quite helpful to prove the operational viability to detractors...
But this statement is completely wrong:

the fact is the ASBM is worthless if it didn't do few actual tests

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Honestly how do you define an "actual test"...?

And sinomilitaryfans reach their "assumptions" with rumors and information leaked from the more reliable BBS sources. Think of news on PLA developments like going through numerous filters -- with the BS and wet dreams left behind and leaving only the (mostly) good stuff.

Re: Effectiveness of China's Air Defence?

bd popeye said:

Not true.
1) There is a Worldwide ban on testing nuclear weapons.
2) As a person that formerly handled weapons of all types I can assure that US nuclear weapons are kept in a 100% climate controled environment. They last for years upon years. Fact.

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1) yes, that's the point. and that's why DoE gets funding to do sub critical tests and billions of dollars are spent buying super computeres to do simulated explosions and Super computers are on the export restriction list; and key experts are retained in this field....
so they can assure the DoD and US Military and ultimately... the Russians... with out actually go out and lit one off, that when the needs arises, those war heads will do what they intended them to do.

2) climate controled is just one factor in a nuclear weapon's effectiveness decays with time.