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BlackWindMnt

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luminary said:
MSM doesn't want people to know that the 8th largest country in terms of PPP and the de facto leader of South America just made best buds with Xi. It's covered a lot more in Portuguese and Latin America media.

You can definitely tell who he's really aligned with. Lula spends 5 days in China, compared to 1 day in the US.
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like "A community with a shared future for mankind" and "civilizational dialogue".


Lula is also probably hella pissed: recently, Biden scammed him on Lula's white house visit (US promised billions in aid which never materialized), and
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(it's not just Brazil, this particular fallout will affect the entire Latin America).
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I was surprised how much radio silence(it wasn't complete silence, but more like page 5 news) there was about Xi visits to Saudi Arabia last year here in the Netherlands. Or how little people spoke about the China brokered peace talks between Saudi and Iran. Really weird given the importance of those talks to the west asian Muslim world.
 
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Temstar said:
Seems like a good argument to me. Would it elicit an emotional response from Germans?
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No, because they see it as a near religious struggle between good and evil and the good prevailed while the evil capitulated. And they've been taught by the media that Taiwan is the morally good, democratic side.

Most people in the West also fail to realise that Taiwan is not a sovereign country. So China is very different from cases like Germany, Korea and Vietnam, where both sides were more or less sovereign nations. Both Germanies were eventually allowed in the UN and enjoyed the protection of the UN charter. An invasion of East Germany would have been illegal under international law while in China it's the other way round, foreign assistance to Taiwan separatists is illegal. Chinese diplomats should work on spreading knowledge of the legal matters. There are still many in Europe who would respect the law even if it goes against their interests
 
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Minm said:
Of course it's not a "disaster", but it is a mistake to give Baerbock a platform to spread her hate. She's going to go back to Germany strengthened in their coalition government. She'll be seen as the more competent politician for dealing with China than the chancellor. Some in Germany will conclude that you can insult China as much as you like and China won't retaliate. So you can expect more Chinese investments in Germany to be blocked and future diplomatic visits won't include signing big deals, because apparently China hasn't demonstrated that it prefers friendly visits that focus on trade.

It's a small loss, but it will have an effect. The German coalition government is currently writing a China strategy document. As a result of this visit, expect it to be more hostile than it would have been otherwise. You can't charm people who hate you, you can only confirm their opinion that you'll smile even as they punch you in the face
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This is not a disaster, nor is it a mistake.

China will not change its core diplomatic principles because of a certain country's stress response to China at a certain stage.

No matter what kind of China policy she participated in formulating after returning to Germany, China has already stood on the high ground of justice and morality. This kind of high ground is not of much value to the United States and its vassals, but it is a necessary credential for a China that intends to promote world peace and multi-polarization.

The potential and lasting influence of this long-standing diplomatic core principle has been continuously reflected in major regional events such as reconciliation in the Arab world.

China gave her a platform, but at the same time it gave china herself a platform. China does not need to show its strength in words. If the harsh remarks cannot make the countries on the sidelines silently stand in line after reassessing the situation, then it is not as effective as a demonstration of an Land-based mid-course anti-missile.

let us wait and see.
 
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gelgoog

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Temstar said:
Seems like a good argument to me. Would it elicit an emotional response from Germans?
Russian telegrams predictably think it was a mistake and reunification should have occurred under DDR.
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Stalin was in favor of German reunification. But on the condition Germany had to be a neutral country and all foreign troops had to get out of German soil. The US never left.
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birdlikefood said:
This is not a disaster, nor is it a mistake.

China will not change its core diplomatic principles because of a certain country's stress response to China at a certain stage.

No matter what kind of China policy she participated in formulating after returning to Germany, China has already stood on the high ground of justice and morality. This kind of high ground is not of much value to the United States and its vassals, but it is a necessary credential for a China that intends to promote world peace and multi-polarization.

The potential and lasting influence of this long-standing diplomatic core principle has been continuously reflected in major regional events such as reconciliation in the Arab world.

China gave her a platform, but at the same time it gave china herself a platform. China does not need to show its strength in words. If the harsh remarks cannot make the countries on the sidelines silently stand in line after reassessing the situation, then it is not as effective as a demonstration of an Land-based mid-course anti-missile.

let us wait and see.
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China is an independent and mature country in diplomacy. For the most part, every strident diplomatic statement or tough talk China makes is the result of deliberation.

This kind of tough rhetoric must produce some value. It may be a firepower reconnaissance of whether the hostile alliance is stable, or it may be a display of strength or information disclosure to potential allies, or there may also be a reshaping of doubts in some countries on the sidelines about the sustainability of Chinese foreign policy.

The Chinese are a frugal people, they are not very good at wasting opportunities.
 
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Overbom

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The same could be said for the USSR in general. In some aspects, they were very successful. But in many other aspects, they were a meme state.
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Imagine being Russia, knowing that in the previous century (19th) and on that century (20th) Germany was a European behemoth and a menace and then saying stuff like "unify Germany, pinky promise they are going to be neutral!" lmao

USSR deservedly belongs to the dustbin of history. Imagine Western leaders saying the same thing about Russia "well, we don't like a split Russia, better unify it"...
 
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