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Lethe

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Btw, with such massive protests in France, will Macron be possibly ousted anytime soon? Just curious how long he will last, since he seems to not want to choose sides on Taiwan, which is nice.

Macron personally is not that important, because his positions are not radical departures from those of previous or likely future French governments. Macron was obviously unconcerned about how his remarks would be received in Washington and other figures may be more circumspect, but the essential French perspective that chafes against American hegemony and sees a multipolar world as furthering French interests will remain. It is clear that European nations such as France have no material interest in joining Washington's crusade to suppress China's development. Washington's task is to leverage its security relationships in Europe, particularly with Eastern European nations, to persuade them to act against their own material interests. This is a challenging task, but Washington has many tools of influence, and it is essentially the same task that confronted them in relation to Russia and its relations with Europe, in which Washington was ultimately successful in provoking a fundamental breach. Even in relation to Russia, note that it was Macron who would spend hours on the telephone with Putin, right up till the end.
 
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Temstar

Brigadier
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In my head this is what happened. Macron is used to be bullied by Americans. Xi showed him what being respected is like and he realized what he missed all this time. But there is not much he could have done, so he just said some words. But words are powerful, and American do not tolerate that. There can be no dissents, not even symbolic. American demands 100% loyalty but there is no carrot, only stick. In other words "You will serve me for I allowed you to exist".

I am doubtful if this could shift the French foreign policy, but for any country sitting on the fence it is a convincing argument to stay away from US. There can be no American ally, only vassals.
I imagine it went:

Macron: I see what you're doing! You are trying to use flattery to get to my ego and get me to jump onboard this multipolar world thing
Xi: You are correct.
...
Xi: is it working?
Macron: ...yes

The size of the reaction Macron is causing is impressive. He's backed down too many times before (particularly sub deal) to make me believe this will mount to much actual action but even just him saying those things is causing an outsized reaction.

I imagine VDL is in big trouble for failing her mission.
 
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