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coolgod

Brigadier
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Significant and long overdue in my opinion. Russian and Chinese efforts on denuclearization of NK officially ended. You can be pretty sure any extra UN sanctions on NK will be vetoed and existing ones will be violated to an extent.

I don't think that's true at all.
The full joint statement is here
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The Korean peninsula issue is probably one of the least important part of the the statement.
双方对朝鲜半岛局势表示关切,敦促有关各方保持冷静克制,努力推动局势缓和,美方应以实际行动回应朝方正当合理关切,为重启对话创造条件。双方始终坚持主张维护半岛和平稳定,包括实现半岛无核化,共同倡导推动建立半岛和平与安全机制,认为制裁施压不可取也行不通,对话协商才是解决半岛问题的唯一出路。双方将继续紧密沟通协作,按照“双轨并进”思路和分阶段、同步走原则,不断推动半岛问题政治解决进程。双方呼吁有关各方积极呼应中俄劝和促谈共同努力,并在这一进程中发挥建设性作用。
Both sides wants to maintain peace on Korean peninsula including denuclearization of the peninsula.
 

BoraTas

Major
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I don't think that's true at all.
The full joint statement is here
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The Korean peninsula issue is probably one of the least important part of the the statement.

Both sides wants to maintain peace on Korean peninsula including denuclearization of the peninsula.
They openly called for dialogue and called NK's security concerns legitimate. That is a massive change of talking points. They would still desire a non-nuclear NK but it is quite evident their position will be "oh no, anyway" to further nuclear developments in NK.
 

Chevalier

Captain
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These fine people can start showing their good will by sending their children to China as hostages guests where they will learn Xi Jinping thoughts and basics of meritocratic governance. This will provide America with a new generation of capable mandarins who puts the needs of the people above the need of corporations and profit.
Bold of you to assume these anti Natalist narcissists have any sort of care towards their own children. Best thing would be for them to have all their money, gold and wealth in China as well as their children in Chinese boarding schools learning to become good stewards of the anglosphere under Chinese tutelage

Looks like the CIA has already started using deepfakes for propaganda

meanwhile in the anglosphere, the Uighur Muslim loving anglos don’t bat an eye when they’re setting their own muslims on fire
 

LawLeadsToPeace

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Bold of you to assume these anti Natalist narcissists have any sort of care towards their own children. Best thing would be for them to have all their money, gold and wealth in China as well as their children in Chinese boarding schools learning to become good stewards of the anglosphere under Chinese tutelage

Looks like the CIA has already started using deepfakes for propaganda

meanwhile in the anglosphere, the Uighur Muslim loving anglos don’t bat an eye when they’re setting their own muslims on fire
Jeez. Why are Americans soooo obsessed with sucking dongs? Is the fluoride in the water crap pushed by Alex Jones an actual reality?
 

Sardaukar20

Captain
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You do know where the bohai sea is? It's surrounded by China. If you approach the gap, you'll be shot at from both the NK and China directions, by land based missiles, not even counting the northern fleet and air assets which beat ROKN in both quality and quantity.

Bohai sea is not a place even 5 US carrier groups at once would survive if they sail straight in.
Yeah I know where it is. Northwest of Incheon, where a major ROKN naval base is. I have never said that the ROKN will go into the Bohai Sea. The US should be commanding them to block any PLAN naval vessels in the Bohai Sea from exiting the Bohai Sea, and then going south to link up with the rest of the PLAN in the other seas. Plus, with the long-ranged missiles in their arsenal, the US will be more than tempted to command the ROKN to fire at Chinese coastal targets. Remember that I emphasize US command. I'll get back to it below.

And how stupid is it for SK to commit an attack against well defended Chinese core territory with a couple of ballistic missiles when China has tens of thousand guns aimed at their population centers? SK attack on civilians in Liaoning sounds like a way to create a tragedy for SK on the scale that anything imperial Japan did to them would be forgotten in comparison.
This is not what SK would do on its own. It is not even in their interest to fight a dumb losing battle with China. But, it is highly likely that the ROKN will be placed under the command of the USN 7th Fleet Naval Command in Yokosuka, Japan. Why? Isn't it already obvious that SK is not a sovereign country? It is a vassal state of the US along with Japan. Even someone as progressive as Moon couldn't steer SK out of this situation. The SK population is already knee-deep in submitting to the US. Then came Yoon, who is already accelerating SK's submission to the US, undoing years of Moon's work. Yet the general SK populace appears to be more than happy with this development. SK have submitted their armed forces under US command before in the Korean War. Why would they not do the same again in a future US war with China?

Do you think the US would give a damn if thousands of South Korean sailors go under the sea? Do you think the US cares if China retaliates and burns Seoul and Incheon? SK is also rabidly anti-China, and the US is giving them a 'divine war' to bring China down. Can we trust SK to grow a spine and defy US orders?

SK could indeed participate in an attack on China, but they would still have to do it in a way that has a brain. That means exfiltrating navy from the 1st island chain where China has total control immediately. Such as going to Guam or even further out, linking up with US forces there.
I don't see this as likely. If the ROKN is pulled to Guam, that leaves Seoul and the rest of South Korea badly underdefended from the seas. The ROKN will be badly needed to defend Seoul, Incheon, and the South Korean homeland from Chinese retaliatory strikes and possible North Korean coastal raids. The USN would also want to use the ROKN as a vanguard force to hit PLAN forces in the northern ECS.

Launching SLBM at China is really dangerous because the launches could be conflated for Ohio class launches, but ROKN would be able to add their cruise missiles to America's.
Unless the Hyunmoo-4 was launched from the ECS. It'll be too near to be interpreted as a Trident missile. Besides, the ROKN have Hyunmoo-3 cruise missiles which I think will form the bulk of their land attack option. Hyunmoo-3 strikes should be expected to compliment the larger-scale cruise missile attacks by the US on the Chinese coast.

Even then, there's the real question of how SK homeland will survive once the inevitable counteroffensive comes. The ROKN could run away and survive, but giving up the peninsula for the ROKN doesn't seem a good deal either for US or for the SK regime.
I don't know how long SK will survive in a war with China. But we should expect them to at least give a decent fight. Even after their airforce and navy has been decimated. Any war with China for them is gonna be treated as existential, because of their identity crisis.

The ground war with SK, I suspect will be grueling, because they have in place a long-running conscription and military-readiness system. They also happen to have one of the most racist, hate-filled populace in Asia. We should remember that SK troops have done some ugly things in the Korean War and the Vietnam War. They ultimately cannot prevail against China + North Korea, but we should not underestimate their ability to fight.
 

solarz

Brigadier
You don't even read. All I said is about economics. Did I mention NATO anywhere in the post? Russia can fight the whole Galactic Empire and it still wouldnt matter. On economics Russia will become China's junior partner. And as a result its diplomatic influence will diminish.

You can hype up Russia all you want, but its clear as day that Russia will depend on China from now on.

My wife depends on me financially. Does that mean she's a junior partner in our marriage? I don't bloody think so.

Do you even understand how cooperation works? Russia is dependent on China economically because it finally broke up with the West. That doesn't make it a junior partner, that makes it a comrade-in-arms.
 

Overbom

Brigadier
Registered Member
My wife depends on me financially. Does that mean she's a junior partner in our marriage? I don't think bloody so.

Do you even understand how cooperation works? Russia is dependent on China economically because it finally broke up with the West. That doesn't make it a junior partner, that makes it a comrade-in-arms.
Obviously you don't understand International Relations. That you compare relations between countries to your relation with your wife further reinforces that point.

I would suggest refraining from speaking so confidently if you don't understand the difference between relations between countries and married husband and wife.

If you need some further elaboration:
"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Countries follow the above mantra, individual married people obviously don't for a good reason
 
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