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Time has changed. The attitude of some U.S. elites haven't. This makes them sound like imbeciles.

Despite Chip Ban, U.S. Trails China in Published Research Papers​

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Today is the "turkey" day in the U.S. - not the "Turkiye" day.

Today's fine examples of Western hypocrisy:
 

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I saw it previously on r/geopolitics and thought it was pretty ridiculous, but after
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just taking the piss with this I thought I better check this shit out. Conclusion is this is highly entertaining piece of... something from RAND. I'll highlight some passages for a feel:

Can the DPRK stop or delay PRC intervention with conventional or limited nuclear strikes?
Countervalue Targets:
The two countervalue targets were the Shenyang Heavy Industrial Plant in Shenyang and the Dalian Hi -Tech Zone in Dalian. These places were chosen based on their economic value and role in military production. According to Chinese sources, the Shenyang Heavy Industrial Plant is valued at approximately $1.6 billion while the Dalian Hi-Tech Zone has an estimated value of $16.09 billion.
Kim could try to deter China from attempting a decapitation operation by threatening an attack on Shanghai or other PRC cities.
Kim would hope that the prospects of significant damage to a major city would constitute an “unacceptable loss” and deter an attack. Even a DPRK nuclear weapons would only do partial damage to any PRC city, but the interconnectivity of the PRC economy would cause substantial PRC economic losses beyond the immediate damage to Shanghai. And a nuclear attack of Beijing with a 230 Kt DPRK nuclear weapon could cause such damage to the PRC bureaucracy that the PRC leadership may have difficulty ruling the PRC for an extended period.
Therefore, in order for the DPRK to even have a chance at managing escalation against the PRC, it would need second-strike capabilities, to allow it to escalate further if Beijing conducted retaliatory nuclear strikes.
Thus, the DPRK’s nuclear weapons could be credibly used to try to deter PRC intervention in the context of a DPRK-ROK conventional conflict.
Furthermore, as the DPRK the development of second-strike capabilities could create an opportunity for Pyongyang to not only deter Chinese intervention and influence Beijing’s policies towards the DPRK.

So basically "see it's not that I'm worried about myself or my dog, I'm actually worried about you! He's nukes could be aimed at you!"
 

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I saw it previously on r/geopolitics and thought it was pretty ridiculous, but after
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just taking the piss with this I thought I better check this shit out. Conclusion is this is highly entertaining piece of... something from RAND. I'll highlight some passages for a feel:







So basically "see it's not that I'm worried about myself or my dog, I'm actually worried about you! He's nukes could be aimed at you!"
This looks like something straight outta fantasy-packed copium-pumped wetdream novel.

Seriously though, even if Kim Jong-un has gone boiling mad, he is neither stupid nor suicidal.

The PLA far excels the KPA in basically everything (other than, say, unable to properly feed and equip their own troops) - From warplanes to tanks to warships to missiles + nukes and even EW. In a hypothetical China-North Korea war, China would roll over the entire North Korea in mere weeks without having to use her own nuclear weapons at all.

Even if Kim Jong-un has become insane and idiotic enough to nuke China, so what? China has way more nuclear warheads than North Korea that would easily turn every North Korean city into a massive carpark before rolling their tanks in to occupy the whole country.

Furthermore, North Korea only has a population size that's 1.72% of China's. Losing 25 million people might be a significant yet small dent for Beijing, but losing 25 million would be a catastrophic, nation-ending scenario for Pyongyang.

Beijing might as well annex the former North Korean territory as China's 33rd province after the war has ended.

In fact, it might be much easier for Pyongyang to just fund and sponsor dissent and seperatist movements among ethnic Koreans living near the China-North Korea border instead. But we all know how that would eventually end.

Really, RAND and especially Diana the author? Did you forgot that you are working with RAND and not Scholastic Corportaion?
 
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FriedButter

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In a hypothetical China-North Korea war, China would roll over the entire North Korea in weeks without having to use her own nuclear weapons at all.

It is actually way more stupid then you think. Hypothetical China-North Korea war? Nope… but a hypothetical war between North Korea - South Korea where the North nukes China to prevent a PLA intervention. Does it make sense? No. For whatever reason, the author thinks that the DPRK could nuke China in a war against the US/South Korea.

Thus, the DPRK’s nuclear weapons could be credibly used to try to deter PRC intervention in the context of a DPRK-ROK conventional conflict

Really, RAND and especially Diana the author? Did you forgot that you are working with RAND and not Scholastic Corportaion?

She is a graduate from the RAND institute (RAND Corp). I didn’t even know RAND owned their own private school where the “students” are basically RAND employees as well.
 
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