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Hendrik_2000 · Jun 3, 2021

Completely agree Hu Jintaoi and Wen Xiaobao leadership is the right kind of leadership for China at that time It bought time and allow China to transform her industrial base and technology while kept the dispute to minimum. It might not be the right policy for now as China is just to big for not being notice. I would even say it is golden time for China quietly improve Chinese living standard by growing the economy and lay the foundation for stronger military

voyager1 · Jun 3, 2021

weig2000 said:
Deng Xiaoping was firm and determined, but he was also pragmatic and realistic - he used to write an 80,000-word letter to Mao to self-criticize to get back during the Cultural Revolution when he was expelled and exiled from the power center. By the time he became the paramount leader, he had survived so much and with such a long distinguished political career, he was comfortable in his skin and was not obsessed with official titles. He set directions but was less obsessed with details (in contrast to Zhou Enlai, say); he was not a man of words (unlike Mao), but more of actions; he was not dogmatic but pragmatic (of which he was best known internationally). Deng was not as talented as Mao, but was the antidote to Mao's extreme and failed policies. Mao failed each of his chosen successors; Deng did his first two but was rather successful with Jiang Zeming and Hu Jingpao. So you could say Deng's legacy lasted three generations of Chinese leadership.

Neither Hu Jingtao nor Xi Jinping has anywhere near Deng's status and charisma when they became China's top leaders, even though both of them had risen through the party ranks based on their performance in various areas over several decades. To be fair, it's hard for China to create leaders like Mao, Zhou and Deng during the peace time.

Hu was humble and kept a low-profile but was determined when it is necessary - his handling of Tibetan riots in 1989 won him high marks among party leaders, showing his toughness. Hu was more tolerant and could work with others, and thus was considered to be a good leader with collective leadership style, which was considered the right leadership model for China at the time. His unassuming leadership style certainly had its pluses and minuses for the China during his time - just think what if Hu started South China Sea island building and Belt-and-Road initiative, which might please many Chinese nationalists and patriots no end nowadays, but would have proved totally premature and counter-productive. The US elites' hatred towrads Xi compared to Hu is NOT a proof that Hu was a weak and bad leader for China at the time. On the contrary, it had shown that Hu's leadership style and strategy, his "harmonious society" brand of preaching had navigated and bought time for China through a critical stage of China-rise. Also, contrary to some myth, Hu-Wen administration was not a doing-nothing-therefore-screwed-up-nothing one, they accomplished a great deal! I don't need to list them here, but those old enough should remember.

Xi is ambitious and audacious. He might be considered thin-skinned and obsessed with control. To be fair, this might have to do with him lacking the status and power base that Deng had. In order to accomplish what he deemed necessary, he had to be careful and play politics to accumulate and consolidate power. Xi is a man of mission and vision. He wielded power with certain swagger and ruthlessness shortly after taking supreme power, quite unlike his predecessor's humility and cautiousness. This is partly due to his conviction, but more to his upbringing as a first-generation princeling, who may feel to claim certain ownership to the legacy of the People's Republic, unlike the professional managers such as Jiang and Hu that were brought in as care-takers, so to speak.

Different times require different leaders and leadership styles. A leader that is right for a certain time period might not be the right leader in a different age. Even the same leader that was great for one era, might prove to be quite a disaster in a different era. Think of Mao.

Xi Jinping is a ruthless character. He might not have charisma, but he more than makes up with it by his political insticts. This guy is a political freak.

Go read the wikileaks by CIA on Xi Jinping character. He is a freak of politics, no kidding. Never "betrayed" his superiors, never let his true thoughts be known even among friends. Always kept appropriate distances from all factions which is a (if not, the) major reason why he became General Secretary of the party.

I will say it again, from what I read on CIA's assessment of Xi, he is a terrifying person to have as an opponent. With friends however, he is being said to be loyal and generous.

And the most important thing. He was incorruptible (some noises on family businesses though). In case people dont remember, the CPC was with one foot to the grave when Hu ended his presidency.

I honestly say that he is an incredible person. But as you said, not without his faults. He is very thick skinned, and very controlling. His supporters would say that with so much Western influence he had to be in order to root it out, so dunno...

I will also fault him for the terrible media representation China has outside the country. Yes I know that these are chronic Party problems, but thats how leadership works, you inherit your predecessor's mistakes.

voyager1 · Jun 3, 2021

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Xi was always "exceptionally ambitious" and had his "eye on the prize" from the very beginning. Once Xi had returned from his education in the worker-soldier-peasant revolutionary committee, he carefully laid out a career plan that would maximize his opportunities to rise to the top levels of the Party hierarchy,

first becoming a PLA officer in the late 1970s and then serving in a variety of provincial leadership positions, progressively rising through the ranks. By 1979, Xi was on the staffs of the State Council and the Central Military Commission (CMC), serving as an assistant to the CMC Secretary General and later Minister of National Defense

Xi subsequently became even more serious in plotting a career path to the top. By all appearances, with his father having been politically rehabilitated and rapidly regaining his power, Xi Jinping could have continued to rise quickly in the Central Party apparatus.

Xi, however, reasoned that in the long run, staying in Beijing would limit his career potential. Xi told the professor that staying with Geng Biao would eventually shrink his power base, which would ultimately rest primarily on his father's and Geng's networks and political support. Moreover, in time, people would turn against him if he stayed in the Center.

^^This is why people call him a political freak. He planned everything from start to finish like a working ant doing its tasks steadily, year by year. These kinds of people are not people you want to be enemies with

So in a calculated move to lay the basis for a future return as a Central leader, Xi asked for a position in the countryside and, in 1982, became a local official in Shijiazhuang, the capital of Hebei province. Xi later became the Deputy Party Secretary in Zhengding county, also in Hebei. Xi told the professor at the time that he "would be back one day."

Lmao. Chad Xi

Xi told the professor at the time that going to the provinces was his "only path to central power." Xi thought it was important to know people in the Central Organization Department and to keep his eyes on the Center, even as he worked his way up the ladder as a local official. According to the professor, Xi "had promotion to the Center in mind from day one." Xi knew how to develop personal networks and work the system, first using his father's networks and later building his own.

See that? Thats Xi's plan for power. Impressive

boytoy · Jun 3, 2021

bajingan said:
It is not bigotry if its reality, some indians (not all of course) really do drink bovine urine,and bathe in bovine faeces

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Of course it's not bigotry to point out the reality. But this is not what the post in question is doing. If we take another look at the original post and what it means.

Gatekeeper said:
I'm not sure where to put this. Since its on my news feed. I'll put it here. I find this news from India rather odd.
the bride died during the wedding, and then the families had a meeting and decide to continue the wedding with the decades bride's sister as the new bride!

Strange custom. What about mourning for you dead daughter? This and dumping bodies in rivers, and drinking and eating cow's piss and dung really made me feel glad I'm ethnic Chinese.

Sorry for non Chinese here you'll have to use goggle translate

Again, it's soft spoken, but the tone and underlying implications are quite clear. Translation:

I can't display this bigotry anywhere else, so I'll do it here. I find India disgusting.

An Indian bride died, yet the families decided to continue the wedding with the deceased's sister!

Disgusting custom. Indian people don't mourn for their dead daughters, they dump bodies in rivers, and they drink cow piss and eat cow shit. I sure feel superior because I'm Chinese.

Here's the original news article. Too bad for the non-Chinese people, you guys can use google translate.

The posted article is quite neutral in tone, yet, you just assumed that the Indian families don't mourn their dead, that dumping bodies into rivers is their natural inclination, and drinking cow piss and eating cow shit is widespread.

@Gatekeeper, I don't know you, but are you really Chinese? In my experience, Chinese people, at least those living in China, are not this racist.

Norinco_81 · Jun 3, 2021

voyager1 said:
Xi Jinping is a ruthless character. He might not have charisma, but he more than makes up with it by his political insticts. This guy is a political freak.

Go read the wikileaks by CIA on Xi Jinping character. He is a freak of politics, no kidding. Never "betrayed" his superiors, never let his true thoughts be known even among friends. Always kept appropriate distances from all factions which is a (if not, the) major reason why he became General Secretary of the party.

I will say it again, from what I read on CIA's assessment of Xi, he is a terrifying person to have as an opponent. With friends however, he is being said to be loyal and generous.

And the most important thing. He was incorruptible (some noises on family businesses though). In case people dont remember, the CPC was with one foot to the grave when Hu ended his presidency.

I honestly say that he is an incredible person. But as you said, not without his faults. He is very thick skinned, and very controlling. Hisbsupporters would say that with so much Western influence he had to be in order to root it, so dunno...

I will also fault him for the terrible media representation China has outside the country. Yes I know that these are chronic Party problems, but thats how leadership works, you inherit your predecessor's mistakes.

I am nowhere near as knowledgeable on Xi and the Party but I am a big fan of Xi. I see him as a man of vision, stomping out corruption, standing firm against western subversion and seriously wanting to Make China Great Again! Unlike try-hard Trump, Xi can actually speak eloquently and he can actually back up his words with action. I wish I could cross out Trump, Biden and all those other worthless cucks on the ballots and write Xi's name in lmao.

Fuck what the world thinks. If everyone hates him, that means that he is doing something right, not being a sell-out cuck like Obama or Yeltsin. If the world wants China to be weak and subservient, then I am all for a man like Xi to trigger them!

When my American friends ask me why I support him and the CPC, I tell them the same things I just mentioned. I also tell them that him and Putin are the only world leaders I respect, two MEN that want to make their respective nations better and that stand against the rogue Anglo-Zionist empire.

My only issue with him is his very controlling nature. However, in my opinion, he is the right man to lead China to a prosperous future!

Mr T · Jun 3, 2021

siegecrossbow said:
Is that the case with the vaccines they are donating???

As voyager1 says, they're good until at least September, and they'll get used up well in advance of then in Taiwan.

The thing with the AZ vaccines was Japan ordered them before the blood clot stories came to light. There's only a tiny risk of getting a blood clot, but the Japanese authorities are being very cautious so there are going to be lots of spares.

In the UK AZ was offered to everyone 40 and over, so Taiwan could easily do the same. Pretty much all my relatives 40 and above had AZ and reported no ill effects.

Norinco_81 said:
I am nowhere near as knowledgeable on Xi and the Party but I am a big fan of Xi.... stomping out corruption...

Unfortunately corruption in China has barely improved over the last decade.

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(China's score has improved by 3 points since 2012.)

Xi, like some of his predecessors, has not really sought to deal with corruption on a wide scale, rather appearing to prefer using it as a weapon to go after his opponents and other people deemed too much of a threat.

Every CCP leader has had anti-corruption drives, but until they clean out their own house (i.e. the Standing Committee, Politburo, families of top politicians, the princelings, etc) I'm not sure much is going to change. At the very least the government needs to significantly increase public-sector wages so that there's less "need" for people towards the bottom topping their wages up.

Kaeshmiri · Jun 3, 2021

Looks like Trumps 2024 slogan is ready. 10 Trillion dollars from China ! .

crash8pilot · Jun 3, 2021

emblem21 said:
Damn that is disgusting.

Just to ask a quick question that has been on my mind for a bit, how would people compare the leadership of Deng Xiaoping to Hu Jin Tao and Xi Jing Ping

While I'm not saying Jiang and Hu aren't great leaders, I'd like to present some facts to stir the discussion pot per se.

An argument can be made that Jiang's philosophy of 闷声发大财 (in simple terms - amass wealth while keeping a low profile) created a socio-economic environment where corruption ran rampant, all be it the country grew leaps and bounds in the 90s. One might make the assertion that this philosophy created the stereotype of China as a sweat shop that makes cheap goods that are of low quality. Under Jiang the coastal provinces developed rapidly, but almost at the cost of the inner provinces.

Once Jiang "stepped down" from the position of General Secretary (he still held the chairmanship of the CMC), his faction significantly hampered Hu's ability to lead the country. Even after stepping down as CMC Chairman, there was massive infighting between his faction and Hu's Communist Youth League faction (generally described as inner province grassroots populists).... it was hard for the party to pass the kinds of reforms and changes Xi has managed to do because of all the bickering/politicking/backstabbing that went on between the factions. Yes the country continued to grow by leaps and bounds as China had it's coming out party in the 2008 Olympics as well as the 2010 World Expo.... but inequality and corruption also grew as the rich got richer.

While Xi is a product of Jiang's faction, he has essentially put his own stamp on the party by placing people he trusts in key party positions so that he could put a stop to party infighting. Only then could the party properly address corruption and poverty alleviation, whilst also making significant progress in strengthening China's as a global superpower. I'd like to think that the CPC under Xi has gone back to Socialism with Chinese characteristics as an underlying political philosophy to develop changes and reforms (and why "deepening reforms" is always a term thrown around by the party). The million dollar question now is how Xi intends to sustain the course he's set for the country going forward.

horse · Jun 3, 2021

Norinco_81 said:
My only issue with him is his very controlling nature. However, in my opinion, he is the right man to lead China to a prosperous future!

Xi Jinping is an effective leader.

He got lucky too, with the new technology, everything has to be electronic, he stamped out most of the corruption. Officials cannot hide the money like they did before.

What I really like about Xi, is that he lets people do their jobs. He is not like Putin. Putin is like everywhere it seems, and maybe Lavrov makes an important appearance once in a while, but it is always Putin behind him, as Putin seems to be everywhere.

Liu He negotiated and signed the trade deal with the Americans.

Yang Jiechi and Wang Yi were there hectoring their hosts.

All of this is largely unscripted, these guys do what they want, within parameters that are expected of them.

Liu He said that during those trade negotiations, they were tough, and he said that one night he was reading Lao Tzu and Kant. After reading that he said he felt reinvigorated and want to do the right thing, and have to try to improve the world. That is not CCP talking or instructions from Xi Jinping, that Liu He the man, the individual being himself.

Then Yang Jiechi and Wang Yi, who do seems to be as close as a loose cannons there is in Chinese officialdom, giving it out. Fuck this shit. That was how they were giving it out. Without the obscenities. "What did you have for lunch?" "Fucking instant noodles."

But, give credit to Xi, everyone is on the same page, everyone working together for the party for the same goals, but everyone does it a little differently too.

With Chairman Mao Zedong, it was all Chairman Mao.

With Xi Jinping, it is all about China, the CCP, and Xi happens to be the leader.

China has good leadership and that makes me happy.

Now if only Canada can find some good leadership, instead of the trying to keep the cushy job by covering mah ass type of leadership we have been seeing, which is not leadership but excuses.

Wang Yi and his "this is what I am going do to you punk," look. Looks good!

Imagine the old days. There would be no Chinese CCP official of a high rank like this, and this is China's foreign minister. LOL.

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AndrewS · Jun 3, 2021

voyager1 said:
Xi Jinping is a ruthless character. He might not have charisma, but he more than makes up with it by his political insticts. This guy is a political freak.

Charisma is over-rated, as it allows incompetence to be to glossed.

Analytical competence on the lines of Xi Jinping or Angela Merkel is preferable.

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I'm not sure where to put this. Since its on my news feed. I'll put it here. I find this news from India rather odd.

I can't display this bigotry anywhere else, so I'll do it here. I find India disgusting.