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plawolf
Lieutenant General
Any notion of using nukes between America and China is pure idiocy and will 100% lead to MAD because there is no other realistic possible outcome, and it won’t just be MAD between China and America, but global. Because once nukes start flying, everyone’s doomsday contingency plans kick in, which basically means you launch against everyone else.
As soon as nukes are used, you are basically on an inescapable mutual escalation chain reaction. American tactical nukes will be answered by Chinese megaton yield strategic nukes because China doesn’t bother with puny kiloton grade tactical nukes. That will mean America will feel like they are on the loosing end of this exchange and order more nuclear strikes.
At some point a full launch will be triggered, most of which will come from SSBNs. At that point China has little to loose and every reason to believe the British and French have launched against it as well (US, British and French SSBNs all patrol in the same spots that a pair of British and French boats famously collided), and so will launched a full civilisation ending strike against all 3. Seeing this, the British and French will launch against China and Russia, because if they are going down, they will be damned if they go leaving Russia as the only one left standing. At which point Russia will also launch against everyone including the US, because again they will not know who’s SSBNs launched against them, nor would they particularly care.
That is the inevitable final destination of any nuclear exchange between nuclear powers.
As such, I think all this sabre rattling over nukes is just a means to an end, and no one in the CIA or Pentagon should be idiotic enough to think such transparent psychops BS will cow China.
I think what they are trying to do is get China to reveal its actual nuclear arsenal size, because anyone who has even the most basic knowledge and understanding of modern Chinese strategic developments and trajectory can see that the ~300 ‘official’ figure is pure nonsense. Because the most obvious way to bury any such nuclear fantasies on the part of the US is for China to prove that it has second strike MAD capabilities, where even after a successful US first strike, China still comfortably have more than enough nukes to erase America and allies from the face of the earth. Then suddenly China will face all sorts of pressure to join arms control treaties. Which I think is the real point of this psychops programme - to get China to reveal it has thousands of nukes, and either use that to force China to join weapons control treaties as a means to limit Chinese weapons development, and/or use that to secure more funding to upgrade America’s own rapidly ageing nuclear arsenal in the face of stiff ideological opposition from the incumbent democrats.
As soon as nukes are used, you are basically on an inescapable mutual escalation chain reaction. American tactical nukes will be answered by Chinese megaton yield strategic nukes because China doesn’t bother with puny kiloton grade tactical nukes. That will mean America will feel like they are on the loosing end of this exchange and order more nuclear strikes.
At some point a full launch will be triggered, most of which will come from SSBNs. At that point China has little to loose and every reason to believe the British and French have launched against it as well (US, British and French SSBNs all patrol in the same spots that a pair of British and French boats famously collided), and so will launched a full civilisation ending strike against all 3. Seeing this, the British and French will launch against China and Russia, because if they are going down, they will be damned if they go leaving Russia as the only one left standing. At which point Russia will also launch against everyone including the US, because again they will not know who’s SSBNs launched against them, nor would they particularly care.
That is the inevitable final destination of any nuclear exchange between nuclear powers.
As such, I think all this sabre rattling over nukes is just a means to an end, and no one in the CIA or Pentagon should be idiotic enough to think such transparent psychops BS will cow China.
I think what they are trying to do is get China to reveal its actual nuclear arsenal size, because anyone who has even the most basic knowledge and understanding of modern Chinese strategic developments and trajectory can see that the ~300 ‘official’ figure is pure nonsense. Because the most obvious way to bury any such nuclear fantasies on the part of the US is for China to prove that it has second strike MAD capabilities, where even after a successful US first strike, China still comfortably have more than enough nukes to erase America and allies from the face of the earth. Then suddenly China will face all sorts of pressure to join arms control treaties. Which I think is the real point of this psychops programme - to get China to reveal it has thousands of nukes, and either use that to force China to join weapons control treaties as a means to limit Chinese weapons development, and/or use that to secure more funding to upgrade America’s own rapidly ageing nuclear arsenal in the face of stiff ideological opposition from the incumbent democrats.
Yes. All the nuke talk is just that. It is basically a no brainer for the U.S. strategist. There's no down side, and all upside.
On the basic level, it signal to it's populace US is getting tough on China knowing full well that chip will never have to be cash in as long as China keep to it's no strike first policy, because as sure as the earth goes round the sun, U.S. will never launch it in defence of a little island thousands of miles away, and therefore no fear of retaliation from China. It also act as signal to the English vegetable and their followers that the U.S. has got their back. Particularly now when conventional weapons to defend Taiwan is getting less and less viable.
And now it's trying to goad China into Arms treaty, and at the same time finding out China's exact capability.
With the added advantages of obtaining funds via the China threat theory.
So as we can see, all upside benefits without downside cost in this play. Great play. Just use your country's MSM, and hey Presto. Any of the above out come could be achieved without loosing anything in return.
On the basic level, it signal to it's populace US is getting tough on China knowing full well that chip will never have to be cash in as long as China keep to it's no strike first policy, because as sure as the earth goes round the sun, U.S. will never launch it in defence of a little island thousands of miles away, and therefore no fear of retaliation from China. It also act as signal to the English vegetable and their followers that the U.S. has got their back. Particularly now when conventional weapons to defend Taiwan is getting less and less viable.
And now it's trying to goad China into Arms treaty, and at the same time finding out China's exact capability.
With the added advantages of obtaining funds via the China threat theory.
So as we can see, all upside benefits without downside cost in this play. Great play. Just use your country's MSM, and hey Presto. Any of the above out come could be achieved without loosing anything in return.
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Unlike my peers here who attribute some level of rationality to the anglos, i actually believe the anglo elites are stupid enough to launch a first strike nuclear attack against China; these are ppl who honestly thought they could do a Japan on China simply because they look the same.
All that these anglo whites have is their white privilege and China's rise nullifies that; expecting a slaver to treat people as equals is tantamount to suicide. They'd much rather burn the world than acce[t human beings as equals.
Secondly, a lot of the generation in the anglos here have not lived through the cold war, hence their readiness to use nukes.
All that these anglo whites have is their white privilege and China's rise nullifies that; expecting a slaver to treat people as equals is tantamount to suicide. They'd much rather burn the world than acce[t human beings as equals.
Secondly, a lot of the generation in the anglos here have not lived through the cold war, hence their readiness to use nukes.
solarz
Brigadier
I think this talk of nuclear exchange is designed to goad China into an arms race with the US.
For once, I think China should 将计就计. The US mistakenly believes China is USSR 2.0, where the reality is that this time around, the US is playing the role of the Soviet Union. An arms race with the US may very well precipitate the same collapse that ended the Soviet Union.
Anyone that believes that the Anals, I mean Anglos, would not attempt a pre+emptive/decapitating nuclear strike against China do not have even a basic comprehension of the fundamental irrationality of white-supremacist ideology. These people are extremely dangerous, likened only to a rabid dog. They have a GOD complex!
Mutually assured destruction is the only rational option in response to Anglo/AmeriKKKan white supremacist policies! As I suggested previously, one approach could be for Russia and China to establish an alliance specifically intended to assure Britain that the only guaranteed outcome of any imperialist interventions or nuclear adventurism would be the termination of the house of Windsor and of the territorial cohesion of the British nation.
The point is NOT whether the US would or would not go nuclear against China on Taiwan, as the first strike or the last. The point is that China would defend Taiwan no matter what.
