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Bellum_Romanum

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Here is a super old article from 1993(!)
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There are even more articles saying about transfering drone tech, tanks etc

Can you imagine the balls that Israel had to sell China all these technologies under the nose of the hegemon US?

China wont forget this kind of help. Israelis were smart and thus played a good game here. They ensured that they will be in the good graces of the next superpower.
Why did Israel spat at the hands that literally gave them the modern state, technology, and economic prosperity they now enjoy by helping an American adversary and potential superpower rival decades later.
 

Gatekeeper

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Reading some of the comments here regarding Israel and China. Some of us clearly think it's a kin to some kind of
friendship.

It leads me to believe that some members here are quite young. Whereas I, have been around a block or two. I Have seen and experienced what happened in the arab - israeli conflicts of the past.

So, I think I ought to utter the wise words from the "wise sage" Kissinger:

"In the world of geopolitics, There's no such thing as friends, there are just interest". So please let's not pretend Israel "help" to China was in friendship. As i see "friends" mentioned a number of times in the previous post.

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@Bellum_Romanum

Why did Israel spat at the hands that literally gave them the modern state, technology, and economic prosperity they now enjoy by helping an American adversary and potential superpower rival decades later.

They did not. Rest assured everything is done with, either approval or in clandestine. Whatever they do, however, they know US would never ever abandon them. As Biden said a decades ago. If Israel didn't exist, the US would have invented one. This is how important Israel is to the U.S. interest.
 
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voyager1

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Why did Israel spat at the hands that literally gave them the modern state, technology, and economic prosperity they now enjoy by helping an American adversary and potential superpower rival decades later.
Thats the only relevant article I could find. The rest are research papers which i cant access as they are locked behind paywalls

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The largest recipient of U.S. aid, Israel first approached China about possible arms deals in 1979, reportedly hoping to win some Chinese restraint in arms sales to Israel’s neighbors and enemies.
I dont know if this is true or not, but i have to say that China has been extremely hesitant in exporting armaments to Israel's enemies and to its neighborhood.

If Israel could foresee the future so well then lol, Israel was blessed with competent and visionary leaders. Constant war and threats to be invaded tend to make you a hardcore pragmatist and anticipating future scenarios

To conclude, thats all I can dig at the moment. We might need our more expert members to help us on this matter, on the relevant thread of course.
I will stop here as this topic although interesting, has started going offtopic
 

Helius

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Haha yes. These Israelis were damn crazy man. Imagine the guts to sell force multipliers AWACS to China at that time lol

They even got sanctioned (or threatened by the US) at 2005 (?) if they didn't stop these military transfers.

Whenever people say that Israel is China's enemy, I facepalm. In fact I would say that it is one of it's friends

In contrast to some countries which just request handouts, and try to play both sides, Israel said lets cut a deal and I will transfer you US technology. Find me another country on the Middle East, that had so clearly demonstrated its will to help China at the 1990s

Israel has helped China with significant actions and not with some sweet words. Israel can rest assured that it will always find China an all-weather friend and that it can share its concerns to it, about matters in the region affecting Israel


On the other hand, Israel should also recognise that China must save "face" and stop going overboard with the Palestinians. China has bonded with Pakistan and it is making inroads to the Muslim world. Israel should understand China's strategy and that some things have their limits.

IMO Israel will get what it wants in this conflict and then it should heed China's call to negotiate with the Palestinians.

Israel will enter negotiations by being in a position of strength while Palestine will be weak unless the Arab States drop their shenanigans and decide to fully support it (doubt..)
In reading this I'm reminded of the Earth-Minbari War in Babylon 5 and the relationships between the races -

You have Earth which is at a severe disadvantage against the technologically superior Minbari. The Centauri as analogous to a once powerful but now shrivelled colonial empire refuse to help Earth lest they incur the wrath of the Minbari. But the Narns, a previously oppressed race which has since gained independence, are more than happy to sell weapons to the humans for their war effort and the Narns could give two shits about what the Minbari would think.

The connections are so strikingly similar they're right down to a tee LOL.
 

voyager1

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International media office building in Gaza demolished by Israeli airstrikes. Sharts at 12:30 and building collapses at 17:10.
Lmao Israel doesnt even care anymore. This building housed Al Jazeera and Associated Press (AP).

There is a chance that Israel might invade Palestine and it doesn't want these journalists uncovering Israel's crimes
 

spring2017

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Shame on Tiktok for succumbing to Israeli pressure . Why exactly is China allowing Tiktok to behave like Fb/Twitter?
China often criticizes American companies (Fb/Insta/Twitter) for striking down Pro China accounts/views and now its own companies are engaging in censorship.
That's what a capitalist would do, profit over anything. No matter white, brown, or yellow skinned.

That's why the world is fundamentally not divided by race, but by class.
 

voyager1

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Shame on Tiktok for succumbing to Israeli pressure . Why exactly is China allowing Tiktok to behave like Fb/Twitter?
China often criticizes American companies (Fb/Insta/Twitter) for striking down Pro China accounts/views and now its own companies are engaging in censorship.
I dont know about Israel's laws but Tiktok has to follow local laws in order to be allowed to operate in every country.

If I am not mistaken Pakistan has already Banned TikTok (dont know if they unbanned it yet) for some of their reasons
 
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caudaceus

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True. China have a lot to thank Israel for selling to them cutting edge military technologies. Israel exported to China UAVs like the IAI Harpy loitering munition in the early 2000s. There are also other stuff like missiles, electronics, and radar tech sold by Israel to China. Its hard to find evidence about these deals now. But these were an open secret back in the early 2000s.

With all due credit to Chinese designers, it is not entirely impossible that the J-10 may have some inspiration or design inputs from the IAI Lavi program. The jets look outwardly similar, and they have similar roles, to be the single-engined multirole workhorses for their respected air forces.

I may be wrong, but I do suspect the Chinese HJ-10 and HJ-12 ATGMs may have benefited from some technology transfer from the Israeli Spike missiles. Some other countries who developed similar systems needed to import Spike missiles beforehand. For example, South Korea and India imported the Spike missiles before developing their own systems. The Spike missile was submitted to participate in the US Army JAWS missile program in 1996, but then the US developed and selected the Javelin. I don't know if they reverse-engineered the Spike missile, but the Javelin looks and operates awfully similar. Russia has not yet developed a similar ATGM system till today. But then China, with no prior experience in developing modern F&F ATGMs, and had not bought such systems, can suddenly come up with the HJ-10 and HJ-12? And they look and operate very similarly to Spike NLOS and Spike ER? I suspect there could be something going on in the background between Israel and China. Maybe legal, maybe not.

Even as recently as this year, some Israelis were caught secretly selling Israeli suicide drones (highly suspected to be IAI Harops) to China.
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Now, don't get me wrong. Israel selling cutting edge military tech to China does not mean that they are suddenly the 'good guys'. It does not absolve Israel of the crimes against humanity that its inflicting onto the Palestinians in Gaza. This is not a problem for China to solve or condemn. China is in a grey zone here, but that has always been China's specialty in diplomacy. China has no problems getting along with Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, and various other despotic regimes. China just says, its not their business, and they don't interfere in the internal affairs of other countries. Because China is not a democracy, some Chinese citizens who hate Israel is not gonna affect Sino-Israeli ties.
The moment US cuts Israel loose for whatever reasons then massive ToT might begin.
 
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