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gelgoog

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The author of this article is butthurt that us russia start treaty extended to five years without China
The more they insist China to join the unequal start treaty the more China should avoid it at all cost

It is a good thing China didn't fall into this trap. The US was just trying to come up with a similar scheme to the Washington Naval Treaty. Which was used by the Western powers in the early XXth century to keep rising powers like Japan in check. They would definitively find a way to make an unequal treaty which favored them.

The article is also bogus like heck. France had a triad until the early 1990s. Back then they had the Hades road mobile land based SRBM. Even back then a lot of military analysts thought it was a useless weapon system because they have a small nation state which would be overrun by the Soviet Union in a matter of days. The proposed scenario was to use the SRBMs to counter a Soviet Union land invasion once the Warsaw Pact forces entered West Germany or even France proper. But in fact French land based missiles could only realistically be used as a first strike weapon. Even then let's face it, even the French aren't arrogant enough to think they could provoke the Soviet Union head on into a conflict and win. The British it's a similar story. At one point they had the Blue Streak silo based IRBM planned which was land based much like the US Atlas missile. Eventually they figured out the silos wouldn't be survivable enough against a Soviet first strike and gave up on the project. Both countries are just too small for a land based deterrent to work properly. You can't easily hide missiles. This is why both the UK and France only retained the other two parts of the triad namely nuclear bombers and submarine launched missiles.

If China gave up on its land based deterrent it would find itself even more outnumbered because their submarine force is still small and growing. The missiles still lack range. Plus the US still has the largest naval surface fleet in the world. Which Chinese leader would be stupid enough to play into their hands and give up on their only deterrent? The rest of the article isn't even worth discussion.
 
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quantumlight

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It is a good thing China didn't fall into this trap. The US was just trying to come up with a similar scheme to the Washington Naval Treaty. Which was used by the Western powers in the early XXth century to keep rising powers like Japan in check. They would definitively find a way to make an unequal treaty which favored them.

The article is also bogus like heck. France had a triad until the early 1990s. Back then they had the Hades road mobile land based SRBM. Even back then a lot of military analysts thought it was a useless weapon system because they have a small nation state which would be overrun by the Soviet Union in a matter of days. The proposed scenario was to use the SRBMs to counter a Soviet Union land invasion once the Warsaw Pact forces entered West Germany or even France proper. But in fact French land based missiles could only realistically be used as a first strike weapon. Even then let's face it, even the French aren't arrogant enough to think they could provoke the Soviet Union head on into a conflict and win. The British it's a similar story. At one point they had the Blue Streak silo based IRBM planned which was land based much like the US Atlas missile. Eventually they figured out the silos wouldn't be survivable enough against a Soviet first strike and gave up on the project. Both countries are just too small for a land based deterrent to work properly. You can't easily hide missiles. This is why both the UK and France only retained the other two parts of the triad namely nuclear bombers and submarine launched missiles.

If China gave up on its land based deterrent it would find itself even more outnumbered because their submarine force is still small and growing. The missiles still lack range. Plus the US still has the large naval surface fleet in the world. Which Chinese leader would be stupid enough to play into their hands and give up on their only deterrent? The rest of the article isn't even worth discussion.
I said it before I'll say it again, China needs 10,000 nukes asap.... costs be damned... even if cut down on BRI a bit or scale back elsewhere, China must arm itself fast and hard and go all in on this and never lookback, 10000 nukes should be the minimum baseline goal

The truth is MAD doctrine isnt effective deterrence unless China has enough nukes to take out the whole entire world... And reserve that for true red line issues like Tiawan reintegration etc

That is the core essence of what MAD is supposed to be all about. MAD is about holding entire world hostage over things that you would be willing to commit suicide and scorch earth over.. If China really only has 300 active nukes, it doesnt have deterrence, period

China needs to stop buying US treasuries and start funding nukes stockpile.... Dont worry about arms race, once China hits close to the 10000 threshold it wont matter how many nukes America has or doesnt have, that is the nature of asymettry when it comes to nukes, once you have enough, you dont have to worry about how many your enemy has
 
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quantumlight

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This is even more important than building a EUV machine, and unlike EUV nukes is old 1960s technology... China just needs the correct political will to do this

There is a difference between urgency and importance ... in terms of how I would priortize it for China:

1)get nuke count up to 3,500 asap, then with less urgency goal up to 10,000 over time

2) EUV, Chip independence, entire IC supply chain ( this step means nothing if China get nuked by USA because it didnt heed warning in step #1 above)

3) AI... (AI is predicated on being able to make or have access to computer chips, as we have seen with Huawei it doesnt matter your chip design if you cant fab, likewise your AI is dead in water without the lower physical stack)

4) Nuclear power, focus on Fusion
(use AI to solve fusion)
 

ougoah

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China should learn from Western societies decline and make appropriate laws, Idiocracy is a genuine issue people with mental illness and below average iq should be banned from having children and well performing STEM field professionals should be given incentives to start families

This sort of state sponsored/implemented eugenics was enforced by the US at one point in its history and they quickly realised this is simply a little too evil. Same with Hitler's Germany.

I think a society having respect and tolerance for intelligence is good enough. The social reputation and monetary rewards from these things are enough for those "right" folks to live comfortably. It's more a matter of raising children correctly and finding the time to do that and all the work. Not so much encouraging intelligent folks to reproduce and then assuming those children will simply be better for the society.
 

bajingan

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This is even more important than building a EUV machine, and unlike EUV nukes is old 1960s technology... China just needs the correct political will to do this

There is a difference between urgency and importance ... in terms of how I would priortize it for China:

1)get nuke count up to 3,500 asap, then with less urgency goal up to 10,000 over time

2) EUV, Chip independence, entire IC supply chain ( this step means nothing if China get nuked by USA because it didnt heed warning in step #1 above)

3) AI... (AI is predicated on being able to make or have access to computer chips, as we have seen with Huawei it doesnt matter your chip design if you cant fab, likewise your AI is dead in water without the lower physical stack)

4) Nuclear power, focus on Fusion
(use AI to solve fusion)
I agree with you, i think China needs to change its posture to launch on warning, activate its early warning system in collaboration with russia (norad style) and up its warhead counts to at least 1000
All of these can easily achieveable within a decade given there is a political will
 

quantumlight

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I agree with you, i think China needs to change its posture to launch on warning, activate its early warning system in collaboration with russia (norad style) and up its warhead counts to at least 1000
All of these can easily achieveable within a decade given there is a political will
China also needs a deadhand/perimeter system once it has sufficent nukes... The soviet version was crude and primitive since back then no computers... now with AI can train a high level nueral network to make decision... so retaliation is guaranteed even if CCP all wiped out
 

Sardaukar20

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When the average Brit suffers. Its never the Government's fault. They'll always find someone else to blame.

When Thatcher dismantled British industry, it's not her fault, but Germany and the EU. When workers in Britain cannot find jobs, it's the foreign immigrant's fault for stealing their jobs. When Britain looses further industry to globalisation, its China's fault. When Britain cannot plunder more oligarch-stolen wealth from Russia, its Putin's fault. Its a blame game to blame everyone around the world for their woes except the British government. The culmination of this nonsense resulted in Brexit.

As bridges are burned left, right, and center. Britain threw all its eggs into the American basket. I'll watch their horror with glee as they slowly find out that its all a scam.

The sun has already set a long time ago on the so-called British Empire. Poor fools, still clinging onto the corpse of a dead empire.
 
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Gatekeeper

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Good bye to ambassador Liu. Faithful service for 11 years. And like Fu Ying before him, both did an excellent job under extreme western and U.K. probation.

I must say I have the honour of meeting him. And attended gatherings like our outings to greet the Chinese warships in Portsmouth because of him.

Mr ambassador, you did us proud!

 

Gatekeeper

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Sorry guys. Typo. I meant provocation not 'probation' not sure why that is. Must be predicated typing. Sorry for misunderstanding.
 
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