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Exclusive - German Chancellor Friedrich Merz China trip from 24-27 will see him "accompanied by largest business delegation since Angela Merkel’s first term in office in the late 2000s"

Merz will be joined by a 30-strong business delegation, compared to 12 for Scholz trip.


Germany's issue is that their main export (Cars) basically became worthless overnight.
This is not going to reverse itself. Unlike in other countries, EVs and EV infrastructure are now firmly entrenched in China, you cannot go back like the US is doing (and Europe is slowing).
(Good) EVs are simply built differently. The result is that all the German automotive parts, not just cars, are worthless to the Chinese market.
Transmissions, Engines, control units, etc. All uneeded...
Volkswagen has raised the white flag already, the German engineered MEB platform is simply inferior to the XPeng platform they licensed.
MEB is trash. Too heavy, too expensive. Audi Q4 retails for ~$50K in US, sells for 30K in China. Doesn't use Gigacastings to reduce weight/reduce manufacturing cost, not enough space for batteries to increase range, outdated electronics/software interface (no true OTA updates), slow 400V charging. MEB is to be replaced in 2029.
Too late, most Chinese manufacturers are already using most of these technologies already.
What are the German companies ideas to reverse this trend?
 

FriedButter

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There was never any talk about hosting nuclear missiles in Ukraine lmfao. Provide a valid source before making grand claims.

They are obviously not going to publicly talk about it. However, everyone knows exactly what they are planning. Attempted assassination of Putin. Attacks on strategic bombers. Withdrawal from nuclear treaties.

Yet you want everyone to believe they have no plans to further escalate. The US/Eunuch Union war mongers have no breaks. The goalpost changes every time. Just like the flip flopping over tomahawks that are capable of nuclear warheads between 2 administrations.

Even in January 2022, I met with then US Secretary of State Antony Blinken. He told me that NATO was none of our business and that the only assurance they could offer was some limitations on the number of intermediate-range missiles they would deploy in Ukraine. That was it. More hypocrisy, impunity, exceptionalism and a sense of superiority. And where did it lead?

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US actually stores nuclear weapons in Japan, did China start a retarded war and sacrifice its economy and hundreds of thousands of people over it?

Japan is 600-1000 miles away from China. Ukraine can be as close as a couple hundred miles away from Moscow. I also would remind you that Russia had told you that Ukraine was a redline decades ago.

And that you were fully aware that Russia was going to respond as they had warned they would decades ago. I also expect you will be touting the same excuses of “US bases and missiles on Taiwan isn’t a threat to China” therefore China should give up reunification in the future.
 
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uguduwa

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They are obviously not going to publicly talk about it. However, everyone knows exactly what they are planning. Attempted assassination of Putin. Attacks on strategic bombers. Withdrawal from nuclear treaties.

Yet you want everyone to believe they have no plans to further escalate. The US/Eunuch Union war mongers have no breaks. The goalpost changes every time. Just like the flip flopping over tomahawks that are capable of nuclear warheads between 2 administrations.




Japan is 600-1000 miles away from China. Ukraine can be as close as a couple hundred miles away from Moscow. I also would remind you that Russia had told you that Ukraine was a redline decades ago.

And that you were fully aware that Russia was going to respond as they had warned they would decades ago. I also expect you will be touting the same excuses of “US bases and missiles on Taiwan isn’t a threat to China” therefore China should give up reunification in the future.
I am yet to read a single report from a serious analyst about the US going to store nuclear weapons in Ukraine and yet FriedButter on SinoDefenceForum seems to talk with 100% certainty that it‘s going to happen. How many moles that you have inside the US State Department over 3 consecutive administrations :D

2 nations in the EU can‘t agree with each other to decide who builds screws for a rudder in a next gen fighter jet and are struggling economically but somehow supposed to pull off these grand geopolitical moves. LOL

Do you get your information from 30-second tik tok reels?

It‘s this simple, the entire war was started over one man‘s ego to be remembered as some grand emperor. Best solution for people like you is to get drafted to fight these wars that you think to be somehow essential for survival. After a few weeks in a trench, we would see how many wars you would support.
 

Sardaukar20

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Yeltsin is one of the worst leaders of Russia. Maybe the worst. Your vantage point should never be the worst example but how much potential you have vs what you have.

As far as I know, Soviet Union collapsed because it tried to liberalize its political system before it fixed its economic system. But this is a whole other topic and out of the scope of this discussion.

Russia did try to become part of the west and it's true that they got turned down but the response to that shouldn't have been lashing out and starting wars like a moron but to build a worl class economy, tech companies etc. so that you don't have to care about getting into these "cool clubs".

I used Japan as an example to demonstrate the dangers of being depndent on one power so you are backing up my point here.

Oh tell me about how poor and corrupt Ukraine was going to magically invade/colonize Russia and break it apart :D

Sorry, not buying into these conspiracy theories. Estonia is right next to Russia but nothing happened, somehow Ukraine which is a poor country was going to break hell loose.

Starting wars over imaginary bullshit is 20th/19th century thinking and doesn't belong anywhere in the 21st century.
How poor little Ukraine is gonna destroy Russia? If you think that that's a smart question, then I have a bridge to sell to you. Its was never about Ukraine. Zoom out and look who holds the leash. Please don't talk to me about the pathetic Baltic states. Their leash, leads back to Poland. And who have been one of the biggest backers of Ukraine? In case you don't know the beef between Poland and Russia, go read it up. Its not conspiracy, its history, its reality.

And you haven't answer my question about the punishment, or the lack there of that Israel and the US have been getting from the wars that they have been perpetrating. Because it disproves your argument that Russia was the only idiot who started a war.

At some point Russia did try to join NATO. If Russia focused on economic development then Ukraine would have gotten the same response as Russia and left in the cold. Expansion of NATO/EU is just too much work that western Europe is not interested in doing otherwise there may as well be Georgia in NATO. Many people here live in a binary thinking world and don't understand nuances. NATO would have lost its relevance if Eastern Europe became peaceful. Prior to the EU, Western Europe was also a hotbed of conflict. Leaders there are not stuck in 1930s mentality to start useless wars. Same thing would have happened in Russia if Putin wants to live in the 21st century.
It sounds like you're the one whose operating in binary thinking. Russia bad, Ukraine good. US and Israel still good. Since you want to talk about nuances, tell us why did Ukraine need to go Nazi in 2014? Why were there Western politicians in Ukraine, encouraging the fascist mob to take down the legitimate Ukrainian government? If the West hadn't pushed the Nazis to take over Ukraine, would there not be peace in Eastern Europe today?
 
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Sardaukar20

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There was never any talk about hosting nuclear missiles in Ukraine lmfao. Provide a valid source before making grand claims. In fact their own nuclear weapons were taken away from them in exchange of protection in which they were totally screwed. US actually stores nuclear weapons in Japan, did China start a retarded war and sacrifice its economy and hundreds of thousands of people over it?
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Also you guys talk big over a screen while living in a heated room with all of its luxuries. Are you willing to get drafted and die/get maimed over a war started by a dictator living in all kinds of luxuries? If not then I would stop being keyboard warriors constantly begging for war.
I bet your heated room or slum sure feels nice. If you feel so strongly about Ukraine, you should go volunteer to fight the Russians on the Ukrainian battlefield. Last I checked, Ukraine is desperately short of men, but Russia is not. Ukraine needs you, and Russia doesn't need us. So go now, and help Ukraine fight what you think is the good fight. Don't lecture others about fighting a war when you yourself are still here, polluting our forum.
 

FriedButter

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It‘s this simple, the entire war was started over one man‘s ego to be remembered as some grand emperor. Best solution for people like you is to get drafted to fight these wars that you think to be somehow essential for survival

You are free to believe in whatever naive childish world view as the rest of your fellow Eunucheans do in the Eunuch Union.

You were warned decades ago. You were warned again in 2008. It is your decision to believe this is “one man’s ego” as an imperial empire contrary to reality. It was your deliberate decision to ignore the redlines and warnings as make believe fantasies. As such, there is no point in further engagement from my side with someone in total denial of reality.

Date: 2008 February 1, 14:25 (Friday)
Classified By: Ambassador William J. Burns
NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic" issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and Georgia.
Ukraine and Georgia's NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia's influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests
The GOR has made it clear that it would have to "seriously review" its entire relationship with Ukraine and Georgia in the event of NATO inviting them to join. This could include major impacts on energy, economic, and political-military engagement, with possible repercussions throughout the region and into Central and Western Europe.
Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face.
Isabelle Francois, Director of the NATO Information Office in Moscow (protect),

She added that while Russia liked the cooperation with NATO in the NATO-Russia Council, Russia would feel it necessary to insist on recasting the NATO-Russia relationship, if not withdraw completely from the NRC, in the event of Ukraine and Georgia joining NATO.
While Russian opposition to the first round of NATO enlargement in the mid-1990's was strong, Russia now feels itself able to respond more forcefully to what it perceives as actions contrary to its national interests.

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uguduwa

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I bet your heated room or slum sure feels nice. If you feel so strongly about Ukraine, you should go volunteer to fight the Russians on the Ukrainian battlefield. Last I checked, Ukraine is desperately short of men, but Russia is not. Ukraine needs you, and Russia doesn't need us. So go now, and help Ukraine fight what you think is the good fight. Don't lecture others about fighting a war when you yourself are still here, polluting our forum.
yep, I am wasting my time arguing with simpletons who haven‘t served a day in life in the military or worked in defence industry. I am not going to reveal anything about my background, but I have done a thing or two to talk about a thing or two unline the keyboard warriors here.
 

SDFlurker

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yep, I am wasting my time arguing with simpletons who haven‘t served a day in life in the military or worked in defence industry. I am not going to reveal anything about my background, but I have done a thing or two to talk about a thing or two unline the keyboard warriors here.
We know your background, you've mentioned it before: liberal arts degree and 'outside the box thinking'.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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For the past 20 years, financial advisors and planners have recommended families take on liabilities to reduce their tax liabilities, but now that it seems too much of the middle class are doing this, the Western Atlanticist elites have decided to tax unrealised gains.

Plus they also need money for the upcoming war against China and the ongoing war against Russia.
Maybe they are just out of money. Losing a trade war against China and an actual war against Russia while fending off another economic war with the US isn't cheap.
 

pmc

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Space faring superpower that recently lost its only launchpad for manned missions. Its lunar missions also ended in failure.... Compare that to the USSR. These are some of the achievements of the USSR:

First man in space
First woman in space
First satellite
First space station
First lunar lander
First venus lander
USSR did all the things but at what Cost?. you can research it. Putin is wiser because he has people with greater soft power.
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Putin ordered the creation of a working group to promote traditional values.
MOSCOW, February 11. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered the formation of a permanent interdepartmental working group to promote traditional values

Now can you really say with a straight face that today's Russia is in any way comparable to the USSR? Putin had decades of high oil prices to build a solid economy, instead he built a corrupt kakistocracy. In theory Russia has everything to be one of the wealthiest and most advanced countries in the world.

It's not about depending on power when you can be friendly with BOTH powers and enjoy benefits, at least when you are at a weakeer position. Both depending on China and the West is dangerous. Russia and Japan are 2 countries that are at opposite ends of the spectrum.


Ukraine joining NATO and the EU used to be a big if. If this stupid war never started, it was seen as yet another corrupt eastern European country and the western Europeans were wary of expanding NATO or EU eastwards, especially because of Hungary. And even if they did, so what? Russia is a nuclear power that won't see any direct threats towards its mainland.
Russia is the wealthiest country in the world. but Putin is re directing in direction of people with character. they may or may not show off and country is large so outsiders may not see it.
Russia hardly depended on China when it has imports of $100b and trade surplus of $20b. Russia has import substitutions programme.
Russia cannot be compared to USSR as it is creating some thing bigger. if Russia completely shut off energy exports and close down air traffic. it will be rewarded because the wealth creation from high energy and Gold prices in Royal Kingdoms is much greater than what Russia can earn from exports.
Russia is doing world favor by exporting energy and keeping this Iran afloat. Russia can easily remove it from the equation. These people are ready. The idea is not limited to industries and mining but to create environment similar to UAE in Red Sea without similar demographics. Russia is part of dollar system but pretend it is not.
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