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tamsen_ikard said:

When you look at China's enormous levels of infra development and industrial production that is 10 times US numbers, and how China can develop these with maybe about 1-2% of GDP, then you compare China's laughable level of military production then you know China is not even remotely spending that much on the military.

China produces around 100 tanks per year, 150 jet fighters, 5-6 navy ships. Is this China's breakneck level of military production? Not at all!!

If China was really producing seriously and spending 4-5% of GDP on the military, we will see 5-600 Jet fighters produced per year, 20+ destroyers produced per year. That is the level of China's industrial might.

China's current production level when it comes the military is bare minimum I would say.

Yes, its still higher than US in some categories, but that is because of the enormous difference in industrial production between the two countries.

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China doesn't have a production problem. All military production is on a single shift. If they wanted, can go to 3 shifts and everything triples.

China have a training problem, humans need sleep and downtown to learn new skills.

For those of you worried about japan getting nukes. Just remember a NFU policy can be torn up and it's meant to be a signal to US and Russia. Excuses can be made for japan

Also it takes years to research and build and test missiles for japan. It only takes 5-10 minutes for a hydrogen bomb to fly to Tokyo and Osaka and Nagoya, and these are already ready. Just 3 is enough to completely wipe that that civilization.

FriedButter said:

Subconsciously, I have a feeling Trump is going to seek a war with China before the “end” of his presidency. It may turn 2027 (+ 1 year) into a self fulfilling prophecy. Trump 2.0 is overtly obsessed with creating his legacy in the history books as a major US figure that created a new “US golden age.” Ukraine defeat is inevitable. Iran is not going to be a short and easy war.

There is no support for a long term commitment in Iran (and Ukraine). Either Trump is forced into defeat by ceasefire negotiation or the US fully commits to a war with Iran. Either case tarnishes his legacy and overshadows Venezuela and a Greenland annexation. Leaving the his only legacy pathway forward being a war with China and trying to obtain the independence of the ROC.

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Nope. Isn´t going to happen. Trump sees US allies as parasites and he see Taiwanese as parasites that steal US jobs

I'm pretty sure 004 was built in three shifts; its construction speed is astonishing. After all, it's a key project for the 2027 centenary of the founding of the People's Liberation Army.

I think the current situation is far from the worst for China. If the South Korean right wing, led by Yoon Seok-yeol, remains in power, and the US Democratic remains in office, and a decisive battle continues in the Pacific, then China will face the WPTO (Western Pacific Treaty Organization), a military alliance comprised of the US, South Korea, Japan, the Philippines, and Australia.

South Korea will sell KF-51, K9, K2, K239 MLRS, and KM-SAM to Taiwan; Japan will provide the Mogami-class destroyers; Taiwan will use the vast foreign exchange reserves of TSMC for funding; and Australia will provide raw materials for payment. Meanwhile, the US, whether through direct sales of high-end products like THAAD, PAC-3, and F-35s, or through revenue sharing from subsystems such as the MK41 and SPY systems on destroyers, or through NVIDIA, Starlink, and Paladin systems, or even more directly through forced revenue sharing, will firmly remain at the top of the value chain.

Furthermore, NATO member states are or have already been significantly impacted by the US and South Korea's military industries. With Japan's inclusion, whether in the hypothetical scenario or the real future, they will all become cash cows for the WPTO in the air, land, and sea domains.

For China, the silver lining is that with South Korea and Australia's wavering stances, and the strategic retrenchment of the US under Trump, WPTO irl is largely becoming similar to the Petite Entente.

PiSigma said:

Also it takes years to research and build and test missiles for japan. It only takes 5-10 minutes for a hydrogen bomb to fly to Tokyo and Osaka and Nagoya, and these are already ready. Just 3 is enough to completely wipe that that civilization.

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Don't forget Kyoto. The US didn't want to wipe out Kyoto because they wanted the Japanese to still have ties to their historical roots. China won't make that mistake.

PiSigma said:

China doesn't have a production problem. All military production is on a single shift. If they wanted, can go to 3 shifts and everything triples.

China have a training problem, humans need sleep and downtown to learn new skills.

For those of you worried about japan getting nukes. Just remember a NFU policy can be torn up and it's meant to be a signal to US and Russia. Excuses can be made for japan

Also it takes years to research and build and test missiles for japan. It only takes 5-10 minutes for a hydrogen bomb to fly to Tokyo and Osaka and Nagoya, and these are already ready. Just 3 is enough to completely wipe that that civilization.

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A lot of ways how China has been developing their civilian industry is to have ability to switch to full scale war mobilization in the case is needed. China has gigantic strategic stockpile of materials distributed over million of square kilometers in China and can produce machines and components entirely on its own. Hopefully things don´t have to go there.

Thecore said:

Don't forget Kyoto. The US didn't want to wipe out Kyoto because they wanted the Japanese to still have ties to their historical roots. China won't make that mistake.

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Kyoto is tiny. Doesn't deserve a hydrogen bomb. I didn't mention the smaller bombs, too many cities will need to be listed.

The next decade seems game over for the Sino-Japanese Relations. One thing the SeeSeePee (especially Xi himself) needs to realise from this election is that the majourity of Japanese are determined to confront China geopolitically in every step of the way. The logic is very simple. Since Japan committed numerous war crimes against China from 1895-1945, whilst Japan’s strategy as a maritime power adjacent to the Eurasia Continent has been to prevent the rise of a dominant land power, most Japanese understand that the underlying conflicts between the two countries are simply irreconcilable. China intends make Japan pay for history and Taiwan short of a war with the United States. On the other hand, losing Taiwan would make Japan more exposed to the PLAN, so Taiwan does matter to Tokyo in terms of sea lanes of communication security. This election actually demonstrates maturity among the Japanese population in knowing who their real enemies are. For them, they know any chance of Japan’s returning to greatness IDEALLY have to be the total defeat and evisceration of China as an adjacent continental power. At the end of the day, if you know your conflict with your enemy is so irreconcilable whilst what you have committed against them in the past were so horrendous (where acknowledging crimes and apologising would actually give the other side more reasons to demand paybacks), you might as well double down on a path in an attempt to weaken to keep them down. This appears to be the consensus among the Japanese people. If you have committed a brutal rape against a teenage girl and can never get away from this crime under the law, the rational choice would be to try to coerce the victim and her family to never have a chance to demand justice. If coercion doesn’t work, you kill the victim and her family. Reconciling with victim and apologise would only lead to your own downfall behind bars.

This election also shows the Japanese populace are likely to be more united behind their national cause than Chinese are over the PRC’s national rejuvenation goal. The fact that so many Chinese elites like business people and academics still aspire to Anglo liberalism and dream of making geopolitical concessions to the West in exchange for peace, trade, and stability should be an issue for Beijing to reflect upon.

It will also be interesting to see if this event, along with US arms sales to Taiwan and Zhang’s ousting, will have any effects of PLA’s budget.

tokenanalyst said:

A lot of ways how China has been developing their civilian industry is to have ability to switch to full scale war mobilization in the case is needed. China has gigantic strategic stockpile of materials distributed over million of square kilometers in China and can produce machines and components entirely on its own. Hopefully things don´t have to go there.

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The big automation push is also part of it. When China have dark factories for missiles and drones, just need a few hundred people to keep on spamming them out between meals. Whatever west Pacific alliance Americans can come up with will run out of bodies to sacrifice.

RoastGooseHKer said:

This election actually demonstrates maturity among the Japanese population in knowing who their real enemies are. For them, they know any chance of Japan’s returning to greatness IDEALLY have to be the total defeat and evisceration of China as an adjacent continental power.

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Yeah. China was the one who strong-armed Japan into the Plaza Accord. China was the one who destroyed Toshiba and the Japanese IC industry. The Japanese for sure are clear-eyed and lucid when it comes to determining who their real enemies are and who they think are their enemies because of perceived superiority. Yep...

I don't think the PLA will undergo any major changes, or that any Japanese prime minister has been much better than Takachi. Japan has never left the PLA's strike list.

I believe the biggest military impact will be Japan purchasing more F-35s and THAAD missiles, and supplying Taiwan with destoryer, that's a foregone conclusion. Beyond that, there's not much Japan can really do, their domestic defense industry is practically in dire straits, with only shipbuilding remaining as a viable sector.

What the PLA needs to do is keep developing its navy, air force, and rocket force, as we're currently seeing in the anti-corruption crackdown is part of that.