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Hello, I'm very interested in changes to India's fertility rate, but this article isn't available for free reading. So does this article acknowledge that India's fertility rate has fallen to 1.9?

I believe the key factor for China to avoid conflict with a rising India in the mid-to-late part of this century lies in India's fertility rate plummeting to extremely low levels before completing its industrialization. This would subsequently lead to severe aging, causing the nation's development trajectory to resemble that of certain Latin American countries. By that time, Indian society would be far from matching China's educational standards and manufacturing capabilities, effectively ending India's aspirations to become a superpower.
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Chevalier

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"But At What Cost" tweet of the day:

Falun Gong treats its believers as utter idiots. The flip side is that you have to be a real moron to be a follower of FLG.

Look who is coping.
Why does the CIA recruit from the weird looking, the weirdos of society?
Indian government is fudging AQI numbers in Delhi as the AQI numbers are exceeding 400 in some areas.

They are spraying water mist near air quality sensors around the city to bring the pollution numbers down.

Even the celebrated Smog tower which was built 4 years ago is abandoned

Angry Indian citizens are protesting and the police are stopping them.

Its business as usual for the Supapowar.
This is like the Stephen king book version of “The Running Man” where smog actually kills people and the poor can’t afford rebreathers.


in light of US attempts to invade Venezuela and to sanction Colombia for its prosecution of Israeli war crimes, it’s heartening to see the neighbourhood act as one against organised crime aka US
 

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Yes I can see the Dutch are trying save face making it look like they got China to restart exports of Nexperia chips when it looks like it's because of pressure from Western automakers hence pressure from Western governments. They're the ones blinking. No Western country would accept that another country nationalize their assets. They can't make themselves look like hypocrites because those other countries where they wouldn't want that being done to them have a precedent to do it now. They don't want to admit that's what the Netherlands, their ally, is doing so the pressure is coming in silently making them able to spin it how they're civilized.

Europeans are not at a higher plane of evolution as they think when they have to resort to stealing other countries' successful businesses for their own because it hurts their ego that someone else is doing it better than they ever did. They wouldn't have sold it if it weren't failing before. They didn't even offer anything in return. They just plain stole it and expected people to accept it. They just blindly followed Trump and what he wanted. Does someone who thinks they're intellectually superior and are not barbarians think they can do that? Look at Josep Borrell and his "Europe is a garden..." comment. Maybe he should've thought first before he opened his mouth. There was no error or mistake on his part. He said it because he actually truly believes it. Their superior intellect is suppose to make them experts in navigating diplomatic protocol because after all they claim they are pushing what is ethically and morally best for the world. That's why they expect everyone to obey them without question.

And the West wonders why China bothers to have a military that can take them on? This is an example why. If China didn't have the means to defend themselves, they would be raping China right now. That's why China has built a strong military. When China develops weapons that are scary to the West... yeah it is made to be used against them.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Yes anytime you find out the US has been doing this, all they have to do is accuse China is doing to take attention off the US. Look at how they accused of China of cyber warfare where the US said it would be an act of war if China did it. Then Stuxnet came out used against Iran... The whole kill switch thing is because remember that was accused of what the US can do for any other country that had F-35s. And now China is doing it everywhere. Also there was talk of the US making it a law that automakers had to put a kill switch on cars so that police can stop high speed chases by criminals looking to escape and endangering innocent people's lives.
 

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Look at that line for Shein's grand opening in Paris. I thought the French were sophisticated in their tastes.
That's just what their media portray to the world to attract tourists and what their intelligenstia still think of themselves, eventhough France is the world's second biggest market for hip hop and anime.

To be fair, not just today, but even back then the French despite their reputation for chauvanism have always been extremely receptive of foreign culture imports, biggest example is opening the doors for African American musicians when they had to put up with Jim Crow and White musicians stealing their music.
 

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Hello, I'm very interested in changes to India's fertility rate, but this article isn't available for free reading. So does this article acknowledge that India's fertility rate has fallen to 1.9?

I believe the key factor for China to avoid conflict with a rising India in the mid-to-late part of this century lies in India's fertility rate plummeting to extremely low levels before completing its industrialization. This would subsequently lead to severe aging, causing the nation's development trajectory to resemble that of certain Latin American countries. By that time, Indian society would be far from matching China's educational standards and manufacturing capabilities, effectively ending India's aspirations to become a superpower.

Does India’s 1.9 fertility rate reflect reality?​


The large gap between real and calculated Total Fertility Rate is particularly relevant in a developing country such as India

The recent United Nations Population Fund’s State of World Population 2025 report shows that India’s current Total Fertility Rate (TFR) has fallen to 1.9. This sub-replacement fertility has shifted the focus of discourse from the belief that rapid population growth is the root of economic backwardness to new concerns about ageing populations.

The report brings urgent questions to the forefront. Does the methodology used to calculate TFR accurately reflect public perception? And could the decline in TFR pose risks to India’s economic trajectory, thereby creating the need to raise the TFR?

Perceived meaning of TFR​

In public discourse, TFR is interpreted as the average number of children a woman would bear by the end of her reproductive age. However, it is a statistical measure which calculates the average number of children a woman would have in her lifetime if she experienced the current birth rate trends at each age cohorts from 15 to 49 years throughout her reproductive life.

The reproductive age is divided into seven five-year age cohorts: 15-19, 20-24, 25-29, 30-34, 35-39, 40-44, and 45-49. For each age cohort, the number of live births per 1,000 women in a given year is calculated; this is known as age-specific fertility rate (ASFR). These ASFRs are then converted into per-woman figures by multiplying each rate by five (since each cohort covers five years) and dividing by 1,000. Adding up the figures for all seven cohorts gives us the TFR.

This calculation assumes that that today’s 15–19 age cohort will show fertility patterns similar to today’s 45-49 cohort (or other older cohorts) once they themselves reach that age, and vice versa. This is known as the synthetic cohort assumption.

Limitation of TFR calculation​

Real fertility preferences do not follow the synthetic cohort assumption. They often evolve differently, as future younger cohorts are likely to exhibit preferences that differ from those of today’s older women.

Another important limitation is that it is a point-in-time measure, which is highly sensitive to a phenomenon known as the tempo effect. This refers to changes in the timing of childbearing, not necessarily reduction in the number of births. Since TFR is calculated from the ASFRs of women in a given cohort, births postponed are not captured in that year’s data, so the fertility of women who delay childbirth is effectively ‘missed’ even though they may have the same number of children later. Thus, tempo effect artificially reduces the TFR and gives a false impression of lower fertility. The phenomena exacerbates when birth postponement takes place in the majority of the younger age cohorts. Interestingly, today’s postponement will overestimate future TFR calculation. This large gap between real and calculated TFR is particularly relevant in India, which is simultaneously undergoing economic, social, and cultural transitions. These include rising female literacy and a more career-oriented outlook among women that creates a stronger incentive to delay childbirth.

The ASFR trends presented reflect a shift in childbirth patterns, with fertility being postponed from younger to older cohorts. In urban areas, the decline in the share of ASFR among the youngest two cohorts (15-19 and 20-24) and the corresponding increase across the older cohorts (25-29 to 45-49) strongly indicates a postponement of fertility preferences rather than an overall decline in fertility.

In rural areas, a decline in the share of ASFR is observed in the 15-19 age cohorts, along with an increase in the 20-24 to 30-34 age cohorts. This also suggests a postponement of fertility preferences. However, unlike in urban areas, this shift is largely confined to the middle age cohorts. The declining share of older cohorts (35-39 and above) points to a reduction in fertility preference in these age cohorts.

Another key limitation of the TFR is its exclusion of births to women below 15 and above 49, based on the assumption that such cases are negligible. This assumption is less valid in developing and Islamic countries where early marriages are common. Owing to legal and social sensitivities, births to underage girls are often concealed. Moreover, survey enumerators may also avoid uncomfortable questions, as noted in the 2020 DHS Methodological Report.

Given these problems, and amid growing calls to raise the TFR due to concerns over ageing population, it is important to recognise that historically, sub-replacement fertility has not constrained economic progress, as evidenced in Europe, the U.S., and several newly industrialised economies. Moreover, India has missed the opportunity to fully harness its demographic dividend, constrained by persistent youth unemployment, a challenge likely to intensify with automation and AI. More importantly, the current size of the elderly population remains largely independent of present fertility trends. While caring for the ageing population is a moral responsibility of the state, its urgency does not automatically increase simply because of a reported decline in TFR.

Anish Gupta teaches economics at the Delhi School of Economics; Shubham Sharma is a Research Associate at the Institute for Educational and Developmental Studies, Noida. Roshan Soni, from DSE, assisted with data.
 
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