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Eventine

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My prediction is that the EU, the US, and their allies will, in the long-term, make use of tariffs and protectionism to prevent China from gaining market share in their countries. Their logic will be that, since the EU, the US, and their allies constitute a larger share of the global economic pie than China does, it is they who will come out ahead should the two stop trading. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I don't think there's any way this can go outside of another Cold War. A such, I've been thinking about what it'll take for China to win it.

It seems obvious to me that China and its close partners - Russia, North Korea, Iran - are insufficient to form an alliance of equal power to the Western alliance. They simply don't own enough of the world's land, resources, and markets. The rest of the Global South are also not likely to rally behind China, but constitute third parties, where China's influence will be challenged by the Western alliance. Their best play under game theory is to side with whoever gives them the better deal for the time being; and to keep their diplomacy flexible. Counting on the Global South to take China's side is not wise.

So how do you win, when you can't bring together an alliance of equal power, and must expect most of the world to act in a mercenary way? We have to look to China's advantages: its large, highly productive population, its cultural preference for education, its favorable view towards technology, its relative lack of self-sabotaging ideologies, and the ability of its government to mobilize national resources towards strategic goals. These are key to China's ability to compete and win against the Western alliance.

The best strategy, in my view, is to build upon those advantages. Population must come first - China's greatest advantage over the West has been its larger, more productive population. It cannot lose this advantage to poor demographics management. The first order of business for the CCP has to be to restore Chinese fertility rates to sustainable levels. The Western alliance is collectively dying with a TFR of around 1.5, on average, so China doesn't actually need a miracle 2.1. It just needs a TFR around 1.7 or 1.8 to out last them, which it actually used to have in 2017. So it should be achievable.

The second critical link is education and technology. China's already doing a pretty solid job, here, but it could do more to incentivize science and engineering. A major problem is there's too much "dead money" stuck in rent seeking industries that generate no strategic value, like investment housing and foreign luxury brands. While it's easier said than done, the Chinese government must pop the property bubble and direct investments towards productive industries, even if it means economic pain the short term. It should also continue to increase incentives for young scientists, engineers, and educators.

The above goes hand in hand with having a positive public policy towards new technology, which China already does; but it can do more by cutting bureaucratic red tape and unnecessary censorship & control. Approval processes should be stream lined or gotten rid of altogether. There is no reason why the Chinese government cannot do what the American government does, here, which is to work closely together with its companies to establish common guide lines for advancing national interests, such that everyone pretty much knows what they should do, without needing to be dictated to or monitored.

Of course, the Chinese government must prevent the flow of toxic foreign ideologies into China, such as radical feminism, identity politics, and extreme individualism, all of which serve to weaken Chinese society to the benefit of the Western alliance. Again, China is already doing this, so not much to say here but that it should take a smarter approach to fighting such developments than just "censorship." It should, instead, provide alternative narratives and improve its own ideological basis. Less old-fashioned appeals to Marx and Lenin, more modern appeals to the objective interests of the Chinese nation.

Finally, China should exploit its all of society organizational abilities to solve critical strategic challenges, such as chips production, green energy adoption, and demographics. Problems that market forces, by themselves, cannot solve. At the same time, what can be solved by the market, should be solved by the market, not by unnecessary central planning.

The above is not meant to tell the Chinese government how to do its job, but rather it is a list of the qualities that I will be looking for in the years to come as the second Cold War progresses. Obviously, it's not an exhaustive list, and it could well be that I'm wrong on what matters - but hey, we all have opinions; and these are mine for what it'll take for China to win against the Western alliance.
 

james smith esq

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[...] A major problem is there's too much "dead money" stuck in rent seeking industries that generate no strategic value, like investment housing and foreign luxury brands. [...]
Although I’m not Chinese, this is the one thing that perplexes, and disappoints, me, most, about some Chinese consumers. What’s with the obsession with “foreign luxury brands”? I guess it’s just one of the ways in which some Chinese consumers are just like many other nations’ consumers, placing value in status signifiers.

Additionally, if one has to find or place value in “luxury goods”, why European brands and motifs? Doesn’t China have a long history of producing luxurious goods that could serve as bases for contemporary Chinese luxury motifs? For example, I think it would be cool if the Hongqi L5, the flagship luxury model of the Hongqi auto-maker, would be featured in the Lang Yao Hong color of classic Chinese Porcelain:

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How cool would it be to see Xi Jinping waving to the crowd from an L5 painted in Lang Yao Hong during nation parades?
 
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Chevalier

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So, we’re so stupid that we’ll ”cut off our noses to spite our faces” (rhetorical, of course)?
Are y’all familiar with that saying ?
Well it gets to a point where the people of the nation who support these policies must be held to acccount by what Ghengis khan called “the flail of God”, after all the Germans who elected and supported the Nazis would inevitably have to pay for it with fire bombs and mass rape and ruin. Why should the Anglo Americans be any different? The laws of manifest destiny apply to them as equally as it applied to the native Americans they exterminated.

Last week, Anglo Americans were so full of spite for China that they took a humorous Ukrainians girl’s tiktok about life in China as a “all of society” attack against them the way the Germans once believed Jews drank Christian blood.

This all do society war does not go unnoticed by zhongnanhai
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Former BMW plant in Russia launches production of Chinese cars​

The Avtotor plant in the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad has begun manufacturing Chinese commercial JMC vehicles, the company announced on Wednesday.

Three models of the Chinese brand have entered production at the plant, which previously assembled German BMW and South Korean Hyundai and Kia cars.

“The Kaliningrad automaker Avtotor is cooperating with the Chinese company JMC in the production of high-tech commercial vehicles. The production of three models of the brand – the compact urban commercial vehicle Carrying, the universal commercial vehicle Conquer, and the Vigus pickup truck – has started,” the company announced.

Avtotor and JMC have agreed to phase in full-cycle manufacturing – which includes welding, painting, and assembly – and boost production capacity once the project proves cost-effective.

In January, the Russian carmaker began producing Chinese Kaiyi cars and in April announced the launch of the BAIC and SWM assembly – both also Chinese.

Chinese brands have become major players on the Russian car market, filling the void left by Western firms and also reflecting China’s growing importance to the country’s economy.

The popularity of Chinese automobiles in Russia has been rising amid the exodus of European, American, Japanese, and South Korean brands. Many automakers found it difficult to continue operations in the country due to logistical disruptions resulting from Western sanctions, particularly after deliveries of cars and spare parts to Russia were halted.

Avtotor was founded in 1994 in Kaliningrad and was the first plant in Russia to assemble foreign cars. It has a production capacity of 250,000 cars per year.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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My prediction is that the EU, the US, and their allies will, in the long-term, make use of tariffs and protectionism to prevent China from gaining market share in their countries. Their logic will be that, since the EU, the US, and their allies constitute a larger share of the global economic pie than China does, it is they who will come out ahead should the two stop trading. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but I don't think there's any way this can go outside of another Cold War. A such, I've been thinking about what it'll take for China to win it.

It seems obvious to me that China and its close partners - Russia, North Korea, Iran - are insufficient to form an alliance of equal power to the Western alliance. They simply don't own enough of the world's land, resources, and markets. The rest of the Global South are also not likely to rally behind China, but constitute third parties, where China's influence will be challenged by the Western alliance. Their best play under game theory is to side with whoever gives them the better deal for the time being; and to keep their diplomacy flexible. Counting on the Global South to take China's side is not wise.

So how do you win, when you can't bring together an alliance of equal power, and must expect most of the world to act in a mercenary way? We have to look to China's advantages: its large, highly productive population, its cultural preference for education, its favorable view towards technology, its relative lack of self-sabotaging ideologies, and the ability of its government to mobilize national resources towards strategic goals. These are key to China's ability to compete and win against the Western alliance.

The best strategy, in my view, is to build upon those advantages. Population must come first - China's greatest advantage over the West has been its larger, more productive population. It cannot lose this advantage to poor demographics management. The first order of business for the CCP has to be to restore Chinese fertility rates to sustainable levels. The Western alliance is collectively dying with a TFR of around 1.5, on average, so China doesn't actually need a miracle 2.1. It just needs a TFR around 1.7 or 1.8 to out last them, which it actually used to have in 2017. So it should be achievable.

The second critical link is education and technology. China's already doing a pretty solid job, here, but it could do more to incentivize science and engineering. A major problem is there's too much "dead money" stuck in rent seeking industries that generate no strategic value, like investment housing and foreign luxury brands. While it's easier said than done, the Chinese government must pop the property bubble and direct investments towards productive industries, even if it means economic pain the short term. It should also continue to increase incentives for young scientists, engineers, and educators.

The above goes hand in hand with having a positive public policy towards new technology, which China already does; but it can do more by cutting bureaucratic red tape and unnecessary censorship & control. Approval processes should be stream lined or gotten rid of altogether. There is no reason why the Chinese government cannot do what the American government does, here, which is to work closely together with its companies to establish common guide lines for advancing national interests, such that everyone pretty much knows what they should do, without needing to be dictated to or monitored.

Of course, the Chinese government must prevent the flow of toxic foreign ideologies into China, such as radical feminism, identity politics, and extreme individualism, all of which serve to weaken Chinese society to the benefit of the Western alliance. Again, China is already doing this, so not much to say here but that it should take a smarter approach to fighting such developments than just "censorship." It should, instead, provide alternative narratives and improve its own ideological basis. Less old-fashioned appeals to Marx and Lenin, more modern appeals to the objective interests of the Chinese nation.

Finally, China should exploit its all of society organizational abilities to solve critical strategic challenges, such as chips production, green energy adoption, and demographics. Problems that market forces, by themselves, cannot solve. At the same time, what can be solved by the market, should be solved by the market, not by unnecessary central planning.

The above is not meant to tell the Chinese government how to do its job, but rather it is a list of the qualities that I will be looking for in the years to come as the second Cold War progresses. Obviously, it's not an exhaustive list, and it could well be that I'm wrong on what matters - but hey, we all have opinions; and these are mine for what it'll take for China to win against the Western alliance.
China should not be a passive defender in ideology; China has plenty of ideology to export. there's alot of low hanging fruit here.

LGBT? China is already the biggest producer of danmei (耽美) and baihe (百合) novels. Putting these into anime/dongman (动漫) or game form... we know how big Genshin and Honkai Star Rail are. The market for those are already saturated in China, but the market is far from saturated elsewhere.

Radical feminism? China's one of the biggest producer of female power fantasy dramas along with South Korea. Two can play this game. C-dramas catching up to dongman is just a matter of time. Nothing But Thirty (三十而已) is a classical female centered drama with almost 1 million views on YouTube. There's more like Ode To Joy (欢乐颂) that can be introduced into this market. Also medieval female centered dramas like 延禧攻略, the most Googled show of 2018 even though Google banned themselves from China.

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Identity politics? Ez pz stuff. Just bring back a modernized version of Mao's international front. Expose the whte supremacists - not that hard, they videotape themselves saying shit all the time, all you need to do is record and replay that clip over and over.

Don't surrender this arena to them, fight them in it and win.

Extreme individualism? This one, admittedly, China can't beat them at their own game. But that's OK. This one might actually be corrosive to China itself so best not to touch it.
 

horse

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This all do society war does not go unnoticed by zhongnanhai

I hear what you are saying.

The question, it remains for me, is that what we are seeing lately, where everything about China is demonized, whether this is really a sign of something more?

In other words, are they being strong and aggressive, or weak by trying to sound strong to hide weakness.

I think it is weak.

Outside of American press, it don't have the same bark.

I think the split in the Western alliance is real.

That in my opinion, happened internally, and developed organically by its own.

Sooner or later, this split will be too wide to bridge.

After all, someone blew up those pipelines.

Wonder why.

Ha!

:D
 
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