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FairAndUnbiased

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Witchhunter12 said:
Who knew all it took for this forum's opinion to go from China needs to work on its soft power to China is a secret cultural superpower, was for me to well, express an opinion that even has its own thread and that most ardent Chinese patriots can admit to.
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that's because the expectations are always much higher for China.

the consensus is that soft power is the ability to get people to do things you want them to do that they wouldn't have otherwise done, without having to force them to do so with military or economic means... which is the original definition as stated by the man who invented the entire concept, Joseph Nye.

Now the question is, there are 2 measures of cultural soft power: 1. making money through cultural exports and 2. making people do things without paying them or holding them at gunpoint that they wouldn't have otherwise done.

Polls indicate that the 1st or 2nd most hated country in China is Japan depending on year. This has been consistent for 20+ years. Toyotas and their dealerships get burnt in anti Japanese riots. Japanese 'soft power' has been absolutely ineffective at making Chinese behave according to Japanese interests.

Market data also indicates that even globally, Japanese games don't make a fraction the money that just a single Genshin Impact does, and outside games, Japanese software is nonexistent. Japanese doesn't have websites or apps with even a fraction of the reach of TikTok alone.

So if Japanese cultural exports are 1. ineffective at making others behave according to Japanese interests and 2. ineffective at making money then wtf are they good for?

In contrast, you know who has the best soft power, as originally defined? Ukraine.

Ukraine has no movie, music, or TV industry that people outside CIS care about. Zelensky was an actor yet his movie was tiny by global standards.

Yet Ukraine is able to force much richer and bigger countries to behave according to Ukrainian interests, without either paying them or having the military ability to coerce them.

I call that soft power.
 
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ansy1968

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TK3600 said:
Removing influence of religion is a good thing. Look at what these crazy folks doing in US politics.

Large part of Enlightenment era of western civilization is about curtailing the influence of religion, and is the foundation of rise of west. Using western religion as an example is poor.
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And one of the subtle tool to suppress peoples will and to colonized, why would the US care so much about religious persecution overseas especially of Judeo-Christian faith? Why not the Hindu, Muslim and Buddhism?

The reason I left being a Catholic is because her teaching is a contradiction, they're very dogmatic and very autocratic.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
that's because the expectations are always much higher for China.

the consensus is that soft power is the ability to get people to do things you want them to do that they wouldn't have otherwise done, without having to force them to do so with military or economic means... which is the original definition as stated by the man who invented the entire concept, Joseph Nye.

Now the question is, there are 2 measures of cultural soft power: 1. making money through cultural exports and 2. making people do things without paying them or holding them at gunpoint that they wouldn't have otherwise done.

Polls indicate that the 1st or 2nd most hated country in China is Japan depending on year. This has been consistent for 20+ years. Toyotas and their dealerships get burnt in anti Japanese riots. Japanese 'soft power' has been absolutely ineffective at making Chinese behave according to Japanese interests.

Market data also indicates that even globally, Japanese games don't make a fraction the money that just a single Genshin Impact does, and outside games, Japanese software is nonexistent. Japanese doesn't have websites or apps with even a fraction of the reach of TikTok alone.

So if Japanese cultural exports are 1. ineffective at making others behave according to Japanese interests and 2. ineffective at making money then wtf are they good for?

In contrast, you know who has the best soft power, as originally defined? Ukraine.

Ukraine has no movie, music, or TV industry that people outside CIS care about. Zelensky was an actor yet his movie was tiny by global standards.

Yet Ukraine is able to force much richer and bigger countries to behave according to Ukrainian interests, without either paying them or having the military ability to coerce them.

I call that soft power.
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FairAndUnbiased said:
Yet Ukraine is able to force much richer and bigger countries to behave according to Ukrainian interests, without either paying them or having the military ability to coerce them.

I call that soft power.
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WRONG!! I CALL THAT "WHITE POWER" PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Plus, the war is happening in the garden of Europe which is a cardinal sin apparently.
 
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pmc

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Bollywood is small and not all that important. A single Chinese movie makes almost the same money as all of Indian Bollywood combined.
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its about reach not the direct money. higher income countries will generate more revenue due to higher values of ad and tickets. but this bolly wood has inspired alot of people like this Uzbek music group. and they make alot of money out of it both online and offline. when ever muslim popularity cross borders. Arabs have a way of knowing it.

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Feima

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sndef888 said:
I'm a cultural follower of Chinese religion, and I had friends from the mainland who looked down on Chinese religion, calling it stupid superstition and refusing to step anywhere near a temple. (yet follow Christianity)
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The "yet follow Christianity" (statement A) is the cause of "looking down on Chinese religion as stupid superstition" (statement B). Statements A and B are not independent standalone things.

In my view this comes down to the key difference between monotheism and polytheism: Adherents of a polytheistic belief system tend to respect other gods, even the ones they don't pray to, and, by extension, respect the human believers of those other gods. In contrast, well, just look at history and the world currently.
 
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Fatty

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1682406287555055618

Tired of race traitors like this crying about the nukes. I dislike and ridicule the United States, but it largely ends at that, because what they have done in trying to stay at the top is simply human nature. What the Japanese did during WW2 was truly beyond the evils of humanity and was pure barbarism.

Personally, I’m grateful for the actions (however delayed) of the KMT and US in helping to vanquish the Japanese threat. Chinese and pro-China people should not pretend like it was a war crime that the US nuked Japan. The only crime was only doing it twice.
 
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