FriedRiceNSpice
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The level of integration of the minorities within their respective societies are drastically different in those cases.
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How? They were in their respective countries for centuries. Chinese Americans are mostly 1.5-2nd generation.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Being isolated/segregated in their own communities/enclaves vs being part of mainstream community. Particularly in case of the J group, they were segregated by the rest of society in Europe and forced to live in their own communities for centuries. Only in the US were they actually allowed to integrate with the rest of society, even though antisemitism did exist in the past in the US as well.
IDK much about Europe but Chinese Indonesians were highly integrated in Indonesia since the Yuan Dynasty when Kublai Khan attacked Indonesia, failed, and left behind shipwrecked Chinese soldiers. In the following centuries, these Chinese men married Javanese women, converted to Islam and became the root of the Peranakan Chinese (native Chinese) community.
Later immigration brought colonization by pure Chinese. .
So, no, Chinese Indonesians were not a segregated minority. Chinese Indonesians were leaders in Indonesia and just as deeply embedded in Indonesia as Javanese. Yet... what happened?
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Yeah, tbh. Eventhough in the past another user made this point and I argued against it, right now I would admit that even if there are frictions and the future is uncertain, no other countries in the history of the world have practiced multicultralism on the scale America or even Canada have, and their efforts at integration have thus far been mostly succesful given the circumstances.
you mean cultural gen.o.cide.
FriedRiceNSpice
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Likewise, I do not have as much knowledge on the history of Chinese in Indonesia, not as much as you do and not even as much as my rather rudimentary knowledge of the history of J's in Europe. However, based on my own experiences and observations in the US, I don't see how large scale violence directed towards any single ethnic/cultural group occurring in the US. Sure, the US has seen its own instances of racial violence throughout most of its history, but US society as well as institutions have collectively come to condemn such types of violence and to promote a multicultural and integrated society. Again, racial tensions, inequity, and racist beliefs definitely do still exist in the US, as in most societies. However, to a degree much larger than any other country I am aware of, you still see people of cultures and ethnicities going to the same schools, working in the same professions and jobs, and having the same opportunities as everyone else. And at least based on my personal life's experience, the only times I've felt discrimination or prejudice within the US outside of grade school was from Taiwanese and HKers.
You should try stand up comedy