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"China should not gamble on the assumption that the leaders in the US are still reasonable people."

The above statement should be translated into Chinese and engraved on a giant plaque at Zhongnanhai.

Reasonable? Extremely rarely. But rational? Most of the time. I'm going to refrain from inserting some cliche Sun Tzu quotes here, but you never want to underestimate your adversary. When formulating grand strategy, you should always assume that your adversary is going to act rationally in the pursuit of their interests.

When assessing US behavior, I think people need to ignore what Washington says and focus solely on what Washington does. The narrative pushed by US dominated media will never reveal the true reasons or intent behind US actions, as information warfare is just another tool in Washington's toolbox. The official narrative is primarily intended for consumption by the masses within the US and vassal states first and foremost, and secondly to extend influence in neutral states and sow discontent in adversarial states. Washington is run by (and I'm not talking about the average Congressmen and other participants in the theatrics) highly intelligent and rational people who are definitely not drinking their own Kool-Aid.

The US has a tendency to engage in projection, and I believe a fairly accurate, "tell" for the true intent of Washington is to take a look at what the US tends to project on China.

1) "The CPC prioritizes the survival of it's regime and it's monopoly on power rather than the interests of the Chinese people." -> "Our political elites prioritize their own survival and their monopoly on power rather than the interests of the American people."

2) "China engages in mercantilism and doesn't play by the rules of the rules-based international trading order." -> "We plan to revert to mercantilism and protectionism and abandon free trade since it no longer serves our interests to do so."

3) "China practices neo-colonialism and exploitation of the resources of developing nations through debt-trap diplomacy and dealing with corrupt dictators that regularly engage in human rights abuses." -> "We intend to monopolize the practice of neo-colonialism through our use of the IMF and military backing of corrupt dictators that will suppress dissent for us."

4) "China's naval buildup and aggressive actions in the SCS belies China's intentions to dominate trade and the nations of the regions and is a challenge to our belief of Freedom of Navigation." -> "We intend to maintain control over maritime trade and critical sea lanes throughout the world."

5) "China's window of opportunity of forced reunification is running out and will invade Taiwan within the next decade." -> "Our window of opportunity for maintaining our hegemony is running out and we intend to provoke a conflict in the Taiwan Strait within the next decade."

6) "China uses its economic clout to further it's political goals through economic coercion." -> "Sanctions and control of the global financial system are our means to achieve our political goals and coerce nations to act in our interests."

All of the US's actions should be viewed in the context of great power competition between the incumbent dominant world power and the rising world power. Of course, the US may make miscalculations here and there and conflicts of interest may arise within the different factions (ie the Israel lobby) that comprise Washington's political elite. Ultimately, discussions on China's grand strategy for navigating this great power competition will be far more productive if we can ignore the narrative pushed by the Western liberal media, detach ourselves emotionally, and view Washington as a rational actor in pursuit of maximizing its own interests.
 
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pmc

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IDK for China, TELs are extremely survivable due to the terrain. Mountain, jungle, urban region, etc. Even rural road tunnels.

And unlike the sea which has to be actively defended, the land defends itself with cover and simply by being populated. A SSBN can get torpedoed even in the middle of a bastion because the ocean doesn't have any passive surveillance like the land does.

It's the same reason why land based SAMs are so deadly with just a battery of 12 missiles while ships have to have a battery of 100+ missiles and still get sunk or forced to retreat. Cover, concealment, passive surveillance from forward spotters, etc make a huge difference.
US gave this info last month but this 10% can easily be older version or obsolete planes left over used as mockups or Errors in Mission planning and when you consider scale of sorties generated most air forces will lose 10% even in absence of SAMs. This assuming 10% is correct figure.

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In written statements, Cavoli said Russia has also lost about 10 percent of its air force and more than 2,000 tanks on the battlefield. Moscow has also been beaten back in the Black Sea by Ukraine, but he said the Russian naval activity is at a “worldwide peak.”

Cavoli said Russia is “reconstituting” its lost force “far faster than initial estimates suggested.”

Arabs put this info months ago about Airpower but they are too sophisticated to let other know what they know. They just use info from open source and use many outlets to give info in bits. The larger the bomb the shorter the range but to increase the range than it become real technical and this indirect way of telling those 500kg bombs not work in some instances. this is the reason of increasing the warheads of cruise missiles. Everything related to Aviation whether Civil or Military Gulf Arabs wanted to know.
The bottom line is when Aircraft/Attack choppers are properly upgraded and connected to sensors its better for SAMs and Ships to hide.

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After its success in Ukraine.. the Russian Air Force receives the third batch of “Su-35

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what they did to Chinese civilians living in those areas were comparable to what the Japanese did at that time (before anyone misquote me, I am not portraying the Soviets as Nanjing Massacre level of bad)
To be fair, the American occupation forces also did bad things including raping Chinese women. They even covered up the crimes of Unit 731 - absolutely inexcusable to me.

They skipped Chat CPC, went straight for Chat XiPT.

Chat MaoPT when next?

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"China should not gamble on the assumption that the leaders in the US are still reasonable people."

The above statement should be translated into Chinese and engraved on a giant plaque at Zhongnanhai.
That's why China must support Russia to win the Ukraine War, if China doesn't want to face a hostile US in the future alone. Some potential policymakers in Trump's regime are really unhinged.
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Glaser and deLisle attempt to gaslight their readers. The UN: we know what we mean!

Exposing the PRC’s Distortion of UN General Assembly Resolution 2758 to Press its Claim Over Taiwan

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DPP supporters are real losers. However, Western media are doing info-ops for them.
 

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I don't know why Americans are complaining, they can pretend they're living the WH:40K life and that flying is like traversing the warp with a chance of not making it due to daemonic possession.

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THis is actually par for the course for american policing; america is effectively anarcho-capitalist with the police simply being trained thugs and the biggest gang on the land.
 

_killuminati_

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Yes it does. House of Saud has crucial role in ensuring existence of current Saudi state and by extension all the developments in GCC countries. I dont like long paragraphs on history. just to mention few things. Saudi-US alliance have played important role in Food Supply, liberation of Muslim countries and things like Suez remain in Arab hands. and it is same Arabs that are ensuring currently that Ukrainian Grain is exported so that price does not rise in global market.
They know there followers. which dont have much thinking power and are irrational by still insisting the a country of barely two million that has nomadic life in desert can withstand European Powers of 19th and early 20th century.
But they cannot get back the "furthest masjid". System failure. Blue screen of death.


It’s not just boomers, it also the successive Millenials who have memories of US as number 1 and believe a race war with China will unite the nation eg Tom cotton, the wolverines in the anglosphere, the neckbeards of resist and 4chan. Those aren’t boomers posting, but millennial and gen X if not gen Z.

Ritter is an America russophile so like some Russians, he may have preferred russia and America uniting against China, as was the boomer Tom Clancy dream of the 90s. He may well have been triggered as some boomers do, at “uppity asians” being more confident when most boomers are used to servile Asian emigres. Not saying his analysis is wrong, some of his Russia analysis and Ukraine analysis is spot on but there is a bias against China that one should be aware.
I never fully trust "ex-CIA, ex-intelligence, ex-whatever" type of folk for the simple possibility that they may not be "ex-" but on active duty in spreading deliberate misinformation for ulterior motives (i.e. "shaping" opinions to their intentions). Just like all those financial experts telling the public how the economy is doing so then they can predict which way the waves of the public are going to flow.

There is too much deception today to trust anyone fully.
 

Randomuser

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Americans are entertaining the thought of Nuclear War because they are convinced that somehow they will not suffer as much damage and die in it. They unironically think China's nuclear missiles won't hit them or blow up all of the states. America has more nukes? So? Mao heard they same stuff and he said we have enough to blow up the world one time so anything after that is redundant.

I heard this level of arrogance with Ukraine earlier on. Now they are toning it down because all those hyped American mercs who were supposed to make easy mince meat of Russians are coming back in bodybags like nothing. The Abrams which was supposed to send Russians running are now ending up in Moscow as relics.

Ultimately its just arrogance. Making them know their real mortality and watching their face change is priceless. Just like how Anglos like to hide away in their island when things get tough, Americans have the same coward like mentality. They can't take it when things actually get tough.
 

azn_cyniq

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LMFAO they are demanding bobs and vagene, literally. How dare they look down upon the supapowa now?

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/1czk0vr
Reminds me of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaMassImmigration/comments/1csv5l3

My younger sister was on a high school field trip recently and she told me that a middle-aged Indian man asked for her number...

We even bonded one time by reading the creepy DMs on her phone out loud. The vast majority of them were from Indian dudes. It was hilarious but a bit unsettling at the same time. Even on Chinese apps like Xiaohongshu, many girls, Chinese and non-Chinese, talk about being harassed by Indian men.
 

silence

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Interesting. Coincidentally, I had just watched Scott Ritter and Carl Zha arguing passionately over the US vs China war fighting mindset. In that argument Carl Zha also brought up this Mao quote that men, not atom bombs wins wars.

What started this argument was that Carl Zha dismissed the power and relevance of the US today too casually. Ritter, while not a fan of the current US government today is still a boomer, and that triggered him. He ranted about USA #1 for awhile, and after calming down, he said that he is warning people around the world to not push the US into a corner too much too soon. Because there are too many nutjobs like Lindsey Graham and Trump in the halls of power, and they might just go crazy and throw nukes around. But Carl Zha doubts the US nuke threat, called it a bluff, and used that Mao quote too casually. Both Ritter and Zha have flaws in their argument. Ritter thinks that China is getting cocky and is out to get America now. Not true at all. He still doesn't understand China enough. While Zha just dismisses the US threat of war with China too casually. The Americans may be cowards, but their military is still very formidable against China. Now is not the time to dismiss them as a threat. Never underestimate your adversary. Don't make the same big mistake as the Qing Dynasty.

Mao was not wrong, but sometimes people do throw his quotes around too casually. It is true that men win wars, not nukes, but just don't dismiss the nuke threat too easily. Nukes are still controlled by men. The US didn't nuke China during the Mao era because it was just not worth it. Today, it's a different US and China. There are no more WW2 veterans in charge in the US. And China is poised to overtake the US economy and overturn over 200 years of Anglo-European domination of the world. For today, it might just be worth it to nuke China out, if the Western world have already accepted that they are doomed. Ritter was arguing to not dismiss that threat too casually. Because there are preemptive nuclear strike plans against Russia and China and the US is getting more desperate. He mentioned that the US neocons and haters still think that they have a massive warhead count advantage over China. They wet dream a surprise preemptive first strike on China because they think that the US might just fare better in a post nuclear exchange with China. Nobody survives nuclear war. But there are too many idiots in America who think they can.毛泽东并没有错,但有时人们确实太随意地引用他的名言了。确实,赢得战争的是男人,而不是核武器,但不要轻易忽视核武器威胁。核武器仍然由男性控制。美国在毛泽东时代没有对中国发动核武器,因为这不值得。今天,美国和中国已经不同了。美国不再有二战老兵掌权。中国经济有望超越美国经济,推翻英欧200多年来对世界的统治。今天,如果西方世界已经接受了他们注定要失败的事实,那么用核武器将中国驱逐出去可能是值得的。里特主张不要太随意地忽视这一威胁。因为针对俄罗斯和中国都有先发制人的核打击计划,而美国正变得更加绝望。他提到,美国的新保守派和仇恨者仍然认为他们比中国拥有巨大的弹头数量优势。他们梦见对中国出人意料地先发制人,因为他们认为美国在与中国进行核交锋后可能会表现得更好。没有人能在核战争中幸存。但美国有太多白痴认为他们可以。

I have brought up this same neocon viewpoint here about 4-years ago, in the middle of the Covid pandemic. I had argued with some people about the need for China to actually build a credible nuclear deterrence against the US. What China had in 2020 was enough to deter India, but it was still far from enough to deter the US. It still is today. Trump and his MAGA Republicans would sacrifice millions of Americans to Covid, so that they could show the middle finger to China's success at containing Covid. So why should they not do it with nuclear war if they were desperate enough? China should not gamble on the assumption that the leaders in the US are still reasonable people. Minimal deterrence is no longer enough. China has to attempt to achieve parity with the US nuclear arsenal. Only then, could China's deterrence be taken seriously by the American neocons. The good news is that the Chinese leadership is doing exactly that, by expanding its arsenal to 1000 warheads first. I personally believe that they'll go further after that, until they match with the US.大约四年前,在新冠疫情期间,我曾在这里提出过同样的新保守主义观点。我曾与一些人争论过中国是否需要真正建立针对美国的可靠核威慑力量。 2020年中国的实力足以震慑印度,但还远远不足以震慑美国。今天仍然如此。特朗普和他的“让美国再次伟大”共和党人愿意为新冠病毒牺牲数百万美国人,这样他们就可以对中国成功遏制新冠病毒竖起中指。那么,如果他们足够绝望的话,为什么不发动核战争呢?中国不应该赌博假设美国领导人仍然是通情达理的人。最小的威慑已经不够了。中国必须努力实现与美国核武库的平衡。只有这样,中国的威慑才能被美国新保守派认真对待。好消息是,中国领导层正在这样做,首先将其武库扩大到 1000 枚弹头。我个人认为他们会在这之后走得更远,直到与美国比赛。

I still remember arguing with one idiot who argued vehemently that China's nuclear arsenal is a just waste of money. That China should actually spend that money on more economic development. If China would not have nukes at all, that'll better. This idealistic idiot is either high on something, or he is actually a hanjian pretending to be concerned for China.我还记得和一个白痴争论,他激烈地辩称中国的核武库纯粹是浪费钱。中国实际上应该把这些钱花在更多的经济发展上。如果中国根本没有核武器那就更好了。这个理想主义白痴要么自以为是,要么就是假装关心中国的汉奸。
I stand by one thing in this regard - we need at least 14k nukes.
 

siegecrossbow

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Reminds me of this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaMassImmigration/comments/1csv5l3

My younger sister was on a high school field trip recently and she told me that a middle-aged Indian man asked for her number...

We even bonded one time by reading the creepy DMs on her phone out loud. The vast majority of them were from Indian dudes. It was hilarious but a bit unsettling at the same time. Even on Chinese apps like Xiaohongshu, many girls, Chinese and non-Chinese, talk about being harassed by Indian men.

To their credit they would brag about supposed sexual prowess rather than threatening to, you know, kill children. That IDF guy is giving major East Area Rapist vibes…
 

jiajia99

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They shouldn’t have been there if the first place, by being deployed there, there now exist a high probability of being sent home in a body bag and an even greater probably of of yet another debacle for the US government to deal with. I wonder if the US can handle the fact that in the future, this won’t be a simple in and out situation where only a few US troops are in danger but now their exist that many more will be in danger. Does the government have any idea on what they have gotten themselves into?
 
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