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AntiDK

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Study says almost all car companies sabotaging EV transition, Japan is worst​



Don't worry folks, China will do all the hard work and continue to make more progress on EV technology so the rest can just continue relaxing in their comfort zone and purchase them later to build their own vehicles when shit happens.
 

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tokenanalyst

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These tariffs look like a trial balloon for Europe. If China doesn't react at all then Europe will also introduce tariffs on Chinese EVs.
It could give China the incentive that they need it to put tariffs and taxes to Western gasoline cars to phase them out in favor of EVs, let see what happens. All to save US overpriced EVs cars.
I mean BYD could go and open assembly facilities all over the US generating thousands of Jobs but being a Chinese company in the US is political incorrect now because "National Security"
 

_killuminati_

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The EV tariffs are there to save Tesla.
The battery tariffs are there to kill Tesla.
The solar tariffs are there to kill what is left of US solar installation market and jobs.
The Steel and Aluminium tariff are there to save 1,000 union jobs and kill 100,000 jobs in industries that need cheap access to those raw materials.
Right. All these tariffs just make it more difficult and expensive for American businesses to source their materials. In the end, what they produce are expensive inventories that are uncompetitive in the global market. These measures, at most, will work only within the US; Americans will be forced to buy the uncompetitive, expensive products. But the rest of the world will have access to products from non-American sellers that are cheaper, who may also happen to be Chinese. In other words, US tariffs killing their own global business potential.
What do you all make of this?

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India has been "developing" the Chabahar Port for 20+ years and still not complete. It's like another LCA Tejas. Everytime US put sanctions on Iran, India was the first one to pull out. What changes now?

India was after Chabahar mainly to assert it's economic influence in Afghanistan. Build a port close to Afghanistan, build a new rail line from the port to Afghanistan. It was doable originally with a friendly puppet government of Karzai and Ghani set up by US. Now those guys are gone and Taliban are in. India had always been against Taliban, actively working against it, supported it's removal from power by NATO. In fact, when Taliban took Kabul in 2021, the very first thing they uttered regarding India was "Indians have always been traitors". The rail was never built.

So, what purpose exactly is this port serving for India? Especially considering the fact that India does not even recognize the new Afghanistan as a country. What can it do now for India that existing Iranian ports i.e. at Bandar Abbas cannot? Once India began to see it's Afghan prospects dwindle, despite making some investments, they shifted the goalpost to "this Chabahar project will give us a rail connection to Russia and Europe".. which is quite idiotic considering that the much larger Bandar Abbas port is already operational with an existing rail connection.

I said once previously that Indian decisionmaking and strategy is spontaneous, often devoid of long-term implications and regional developments. Hence they lose out on former projects and get sucked in to sunk-cost fallacies such as this port.
 

pmc

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Make of what? The possible sanctions or the deal's implication on security environment in the Indian Ocean? If it the latter, it doesn't matter much - Iran cares much more about its relationship with China than India. It doesn't mean anything more than that Iran wants and has all rights to have a good relationship with India.
As for the former, US sanctioning India would be too much. Their entire Asian strategy relies on India being in their camp, destroying a settles deal would be disastrous for the relationship. India knows that the US influence is waning, they can take such steps. Idk what would happen during Trump admin but rn they are good.

I think it has more to do with Gulf Arabs. Trump and Gulf Arab combined policies gave very little choice to India.
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Overbom

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These tariffs look like a trial balloon for Europe. If China doesn't react at all then Europe will also introduce tariffs on Chinese EVs.
Yep. Trial balloon to give cover to EU to conclude it's Chinese EV "investigation" and put tariffs without getting big blowback. Medical devices is also on the chopping block.

Western delusions as usual. US will soon enough get blowback and if EU wishes to initiate a trade war, China wouldn't mind kicking it over the economic abyss
 

supersnoop

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It could give China the incentive that they need it to put tariffs and taxes to Western gasoline cars to phase them out in favor of EVs, let see what happens. All to save US overpriced EVs cars.
I mean BYD could go and open assembly facilities all over the US generating thousands of Jobs but being a Chinese company in the US is political incorrect now because "National Security"

Western gasoline cars are phasing themselves out.
The western manufacturers are putting out non-competitive products. All the western brands sales are dropping.
Even US/Western based journalists all accept that Chinese EV sales are not a product of subsidies, they are just more interesting products.
 

sndef888

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The EV tariffs are there to save Tesla.
The battery tariffs are there to kill Tesla.
The solar tariffs are there to kill what is left of US solar installation market and jobs.
The Steel and Aluminium tariff are there to save 1,000 union jobs and kill 100,000 jobs in industries that need cheap access to those raw materials.
This is basically just pre-election populism.

They know it won't work. They know tariffs are a bad move.

But they have to do it, because the average voting American is a moron who gets a thrill seeing big bad Chyna get targeted
 
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