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I think in their mind they portrait China or Russia as a kind of Mordor, where only Sauron is deciding everything.

They think that Xi or Putin (or any low level boss) will not accept any argument he does not like because there is not free speech, and he will feel threatened.
On the other hand, the self confident westener presidents, CEOs and managers are able to withstand criticism and new ideas.

That is the level of their delusion.

In reality is totally the opposite, typical westener leader is full of insecurities about his position, he is not able to receive new ideas that are a challenge for his owns.

The liberal democracies (that are not democracies at all) are stagnant and fanatical.

In the West, in a political environment or in a company you simply cannot express many ideas. Do it and you receive immediate censorship. People learn to shut up and just go on with the craze.

The western system is the system where you have free speech to say idiocies (like terraplanism) and absolute 0 free speech to discuss strategic and important things.

As you told, it is factual that China produces more patents, inventions and development that full West combined.
I mean you just need to go to China and see. But when a westener goes to China, instead of wonder about the trains, metro, buildigns and so on, he complains that it does not look "traditional chinese" and that is not as interest and some random poor country full of shacks close to the sea like Thailand or whatever
Even when you look at Russia a westener should wake up to the level of things they are able to develop on a perpetual stage of sanctions and isolationism against them.
Like you have germans laughing of the russians while Moscow has robot deliveries and Berlin has...?
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It's funny how the west loves using Harry Potter to describe life and they think they are the brave main characters. Actually they are more like Draco Malfoy. A bunch of spoilt kids who are leeching of the work of their parents/ancestors. Since they are so open, maybe we should ask them what makes them even remotely as qualified as their ancestors to call the shots? Their ancestors paid with their own blood and actually manufactured stuff from scratch to achieve it.

You may hear criticism of how companies favour short term gains in favour of inflating the stock price. Actually isn't that just the western system in general? Everything is short term when you think about it. If you're not delivering results fast enough, something is wrong with you. The fact they actually believed that ghost cities nonsense shows the inability to plan long term.
 
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Noticing some articles like this one above, with more and more extreme examples recently, I was encouraged to research more about this topic and found this new comprehensive data from Pew about a month old.


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To be honest, they made a point for crime across various categories going down but unintentionally revealed it is happening but not for a good reason.

The political and social perceptions of crime have massively gone up over the years, so how could it be going down like they describe?

So, something is not right. Basically, what I think is happening from this data, police clearance (solving) of crimes is going down so people do not feel safe to report so much as before, that's also why the perception is going up, but the reported crime rates going down.

However, even if it was true that crime was actually going down, it would still be much closer to some third-world countries than China for example.

And that is despite it having nearly a double rate of various police personnel per 100k people than China. And many higher expenditures in general.





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It fits with this personal anecdote/accountant from an exchange student in Seattle of the state of current day Seattle

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Here, and in other streams, the guest goes on about how it's pretty clear that the police simply doesn't enforce law in many areas, so there are basically 'lawless' areas where gangs and crimals are free to roam.

Like, the police doesn't even dare venture into some neighborhoods with a lot of gangs and poverty (the gang members do all have guns, even automatic weapons)
 
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And these people will close the Malacca Strait for Uncle Sam when the time comes (that's what their highest educated elites think too).

Let me get this clear. They are helping Iran avoid sanctions and helping China get cheap oil, yet they are magically going to prevent it from receiving all oil one day, haha.

To be honest, if the US attacked the Malacca Strait, these people may be the first ones to smack them down, and these are no Houthis.



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It fits with this personal anecdote/accountant from an exchange student in Seattle of the state of current day Seattle

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Here, and in other streams, the guest goes on about how it's pretty clear that the police simply doesn't enforce law in many areas, so there are basically 'lawless' areas where gangs and crimals are free to roam.

Like, the police doesn't even dare venture into some neighborhoods with a lot of gangs and poverty (the gang members do all have guns, even automatic weapons)
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That's the true explanation. There are local gangs already establishing rule over many of the local territories.

So people are afraid to report and receive consequences from them, all the while getting their case dismissed.

So when the CIA MSM say that crime is falling, it is because clearance rate and reporting are falling,

Whereas, you clearly see that the real trend of the situation deteriorates from the public perception polls.
 
plawolf

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Yeah, the worse the US is doing, and the better China is doing is not decreasing the chance of a hot war, but accelerating it.

Many people don't accept that because they think that it is too "unrealistic", but nothing is too unlikely in this world.

The better China is doing relatively to them (like now), the more they are going to accelerate the war synthesis (shown empirically),

When China had 10% of today's economic power and the US was the world policeman the war wasn't even in the picture.

Also, their elites and "intellectuals" are still living in that fairy tale land when the US is still the same country demographically that it was in WW2 when the war actually benefited them in the end in terms of industrial productivity growth, middle-class growth, innovation, social and political unity, and general prosperity.

They don't realize that the current young bartenders and influencers can't even fathom working in factories or studying engineering.

Also, they don't realize that the racial and ethnic makeup was very different, political and social polarization is much stronger, and 50% of people think that a civil war is likely in the next few years, patriotism, religion, morality, are at all times low, crime and hatred at highs.

So, not only would a hot war against China get them out of their general decline, but it would directly lead to civil unrest at home leading to the premature collapse by 5-10 years.

But, at this point, if you are a US elite decision-maker, I guess it still makes sense for you to at least try getting out of this with a bang.

I guess "you miss 100% shots you don't take", if you are some US oligarch, you would at least try to preserve your future in this way.
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Actually I don’t think a hot war loss to China will lead to a collapse of the US, so long as things stay conventional and don’t go full nuclear global MAD.

In the nuclear age, when two nuclear superpowers go to war directly against each other, if they can avoid total use of nukes, then neither side can totally defeat the other. Even if China absolutely owns America to a completely unrealistic degree, wipes out its entire Pacific fleet, destroys the entire USAF and owns the Pacific, invades and takes Hawaii, all America has to do is carpet nuke Hawaii to draw its nuclear red line and that’s basically the war frozen. Because if China sees you are crazy enough to carpet nuke your own territory, they cannot doubt you will be prepared to go full nuclear MAD if push any further, and so long as Chinese leadership isn’t suicidal they won’t push any further as owning the pacific west of Hawaii is basically more than they ever wanted or need.

This is the main reason western elites are so blasé about war against China. They think (I conclude rightly) that they can freeze the conflict no matter how badly they are loosing far from their mainland through nuclear brinkmanship.

They would then be able to blame the total collapse of their financial system on the war loss and redirect domestic fury at such a loss against minorities like they have always done. Basically dust off the German pre-WWII playbook to purge the country of minorities, liberals and LGBTs etc, use massive government spending on infrastructure and military rebuilding to keep the economy going, maybe annex Canada, Mexico and some Latin America countries for resources and to give the people something to cheer about to move on from their loss to the Chinese quicker. And basically build what America’s founding fathers always wanted - a white supremacist continent spanning new world. So expect religious fundamentalism to also be dialled up to 1000.

The biggest risk would be a new civil war breaking out. But to be brutally honest, the rednecks and religious nuts would absolutely curbstomp the liberals and coloureds, so there isn’t really much risk of a break up of the country due to a military stalemate.
 
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plawolf said:
Actually I don’t think a hot war loss to China will lead to a collapse of the US, so long as things stay conventional and don’t go full nuclear global MAD.

In the nuclear age, when two nuclear superpowers go to war directly against each other, if they can avoid total use of nukes, then neither side can totally defeat the other. Even if China absolutely owns America to a completely unrealistic degree, wipes out its entire Pacific fleet, destroys the entire USAF and owns the Pacific, invades and takes Hawaii, all America has to do is carpet nuke Hawaii to draw its nuclear red line and that’s basically the war frozen. Because if China sees you are crazy enough to carpet nuke your own territory, they cannot doubt you will be prepared to go full nuclear MAD if push any further, and so long as Chinese leadership isn’t suicidal they won’t push any further as owning the pacific west of Hawaii is basically more than they ever wanted or need.

This is the main reason western elites are so blasé about war against China. They think (I conclude rightly) that they can freeze the conflict no matter how badly they are loosing far from their mainland through nuclear brinkmanship.

They would then be able to blame the total collapse of their financial system on the war loss and redirect domestic fury at such a loss against minorities like they have always done. Basically dust off the German pre-WWII playbook to purge the country of minorities, liberals and LGBTs etc, use massive government spending on infrastructure and military rebuilding to keep the economy going, maybe annex Canada, Mexico and some Latin America countries for resources and to give the people something to cheer about to move on from their loss to the Chinese quicker. And basically build what America’s founding fathers always wanted - a white supremacist continent spanning new world. So expect religious fundamentalism to also be dialled up to 1000.

The biggest risk would be a new civil war breaking out. But to be brutally honest, the rednecks and religious nuts would absolutely curbstomp the liberals and coloureds, so there isn’t really much risk of a break up of the country due to a military stalemate.
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I agree with you on most of the things, I assume that you also agree that the US would lose, but you are dismissing the disintegration scenario,

Because you are viewing the US is a normal country/superpower and not the most indebted and reliant nation in the history of the humankind.

In addition to basically having the weakest supply chains in the entire world. In addition to the melting pot of the domestic polarized population.

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and also their second-largest creditor, also a big-time USD holder. Take a peek at this too (probably a similar situation at traditional retail stores in terms of sourcing of products), to see the import weakness they have:



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Capgoods too. When you compound all of that together, you get a historic turbo hyperinflation scenario in the case of the war (econ. warfare).

When you consider that the US is in fact a union of 50 different states, you realize that many of them could at that time start "going their own way", basically wanting to print their own currency and have their own fiscal and monetary policies in order to escape the economic crises easier,

(Especially if they were a more productive and healthy kind of state within the US even from before. They could also form some mini-unions).

Yeah, Trump's rednecks would likely decimate the libtards on the streets quickly, but what about local state political leadership among states?

If you were a US state-level highest official, it would be even more beneficial for you to separate and become a mini-dictator at that time, because as it is now, you have very little political autonomy, there are many levels of control, you can't steal as much as you want, power, etc...
 
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This actually has to be one of the biggest bullshit "arguments" I often hear about from delusional Westoids that I never understood in the slightest, even though there are many of them.

Like wtf, can someone explain or prove the correlation between some Fat Joe being allowed to type something stupid on Reddit, or make a YouTube video, and with actual innovation level of an entire country?

What does that even mean? I mean "open flow of ideas" and other bullshit. Are they in some kind of a cartoon or video game?

Do they really think that some scientists or entrepreneurs, in China and Russia, discovering some revolutionary product won't be able to act upon it to monetize and benefit their countries, like wtf?
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It is much more than freedom. why do you think West Europeans could build empires but not East Europeans?. East Europeans always have much more talent in Maths/Science but they emigrate to West where that continuity regardless of Wars and System changes.
spanning centuries. There would be many more countries that would be democratic and aligned with West if there was not that Arabic religion. (Try to fight that alignment with declining demographics). The rapid rise and slow decline of Post War Japan that benefited Asia would have been slow rise and rapid decline, There would be zero incentive for Europe to share anything with rest of Asia if they had Arab influence market at the time. think about word Arab influence. or look at this War on terror that has distracted West. Many things are so complex that i cannot explain in words.
I am pointing to this when i am referring to rise of Post war Japan.
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Bechtel’s history in the Kingdom began in 1945 when it completed its first project, the Ras Tanura Refinery 1. Since then, Bechtel has completed or is currently working on over 300 projects in the Kingdom,
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long article from basically official Saudi news paper explaining French expulsion from West Africa but never mentioned they take advantage of French short comings and redirect towards Russia. These Gulf Arabs know the system as they have been not just wealthy for decades but understand the system.

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Expulsion of France​


In an interview with Asharq Al-Awsat, Dr. Al-Abed Mustafa Al-Bashir, a political researcher and lecturer at N’Djamena University in Chad, saw the African-Russian rapprochement as “the greatest danger facing France
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