Guys. What's done is done. This is really a storm in a tea cup. Come on.
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manqiangrexue
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OK, we've gone from excusing cowardice and apathy towards other's lives to just saying that nobody should learn to swim because you probably won't drown anyway. Bravo, really well done at finding excuses to justify lowering the standards. We should probably stop learning to ride bikes, lift weights, learn self-defense, or basically any skill that's not directly related to our jobs and earning money, eh? Pathetic.
Yup, if you can't swim, don't jump in the water; that's common sense, but quite frankly, I don't know if it's a bigger problem for 20 guys to all not know how to swim or for those 20 guys to not care about someone's life. Knowing how to swim is not only about drowning just like learning martial arts isn't all about fighting in rare dire situations; it's about survival spirit and attitude towards life. I never said that people who can't swim should jump in; that's a strawman so there is no point in bringing in events where those people died attempting a rescue. I'm saying that Chinese men should be brave and able, and when a young Chinese lady was in danger, of all those young Chinese men present, that the old Brit was the one who surpassed all others, is a national shame.
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What I was taught is that when someone appears to be drowning in a swimming pool for example, never jump in to recuse them.
Someone drowning is fighting for their life in panic. They are not thinking just struggling to save themselves, and what often happens is they drag the person down with them and both the drowning victim and the would be hero, both drown and die together, for eternity, which makes it sound semi-romantic.
White people like romance.
Always throw them the life preserver, that round thing that looks like a doughnut the cops eat. Throw them a stick, but never jump in the water with the person drowning.
Even in the ravines in Toronto, the swallow stream has paved walking paths beside it, and we will find life preservers and sticks to save anyone drowning.
Biden would do that.
That's what Trump would do too, because he is so smart.
Someone drowning is fighting for their life in panic. They are not thinking just struggling to save themselves, and what often happens is they drag the person down with them and both the drowning victim and the would be hero, both drown and die together, for eternity, which makes it sound semi-romantic.
White people like romance.
Always throw them the life preserver, that round thing that looks like a doughnut the cops eat. Throw them a stick, but never jump in the water with the person drowning.
Even in the ravines in Toronto, the swallow stream has paved walking paths beside it, and we will find life preservers and sticks to save anyone drowning.
Biden would do that.
That's what Trump would do too, because he is so smart.
You think that everyone can "afford" to learn swimming. You think that everyone living standard is the same. With the exception of biking, other things such as weightlifting and self-defense classes aren't cheap and plenty of people aren't interested in them. Encouraging people to learn swimming, weightlifting and self-defense are fine. But just because your family can afford to pay for swimming classes for you doesn't mean that rural, urban low income and farmers' children can afford to learn swimming or they think it is such a priority.
Knowing how to swim doesn't equal to good at swimming. Do we know anyone of them are good at swimming?
Giving respect where respect is due, the British guy did a good deed. Nothing more and nothing less. Why should so many people trying to make a big fuss over it. From my perspective, the issue isn't why the British guy is the one saved the downing lady but why there are so many reporting of this incident. There are incidents in China were the guy scarified his life to save a few children but only a few newspaper bother to report it. It is like when a Japanese tourist lost his bike, the whole city police department, citizens go look for it and all the newspaper reported it like a big deal. Just because some foreigners did good or bad things in China, don't try to over-hype the news.
It reminds me of those articles about how kindergarten kids in Japan have discipline and respectful but Chinese kids are messy. In the conclusion of these articles and reports, it is always Chinese have no future, value and are shameful. In Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Japan, there are always attempt to link a rude and disrespectful behavior of a single Chinese to all Chinese. Trying to make one incident like this towards an implication of a national shame is just laughable.
However, passing a good Samaritan law to encourage more people to help people in need is urgently needed. But it has nothing to do with this incident as I just can't draw any conclusion by the footage. It could be that the British guy reacted very fast. It could be many of them are not good swimmers. Nothing to be ashame of from what I see.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Plenty of kids in the countryside like my grandfather and his friends basically taught each other how to swim in the lake. And fine, while there are people with no access to bodies of water, either artificial or natural, that's NOT >80% of Chinese people. You're giving every one every benefit of the doubt possible to try to avoid the conclusion that there were cowards in that crowd but the truth is that most likely, there were people who knew how to swim but didn't want to jump into cold water and most likely, there were people there who had access to the resources but did not learn to swim because they were lazy. There has to be a LOT of special circumstances for 30+ Chinese people to all have a valid reason NOT to get into the water before that old Brit did.
I realize that some things like weightlifting and martial arts classes are too expensive for some but you've taken it to a point where if it's not likely to be needed to survive, then it's a waste of resources to learn a skill and it's a "good choice" to avoid it. That is the truly pathetic part. I was raised under the banner that every ton of excuse in the world combined is not worth one gram of excellence and from what I hear here, every single response to me is an excuse for why it's ok to forsake excellence. The pathological gravitation towards weakness is sickening.
I never placed any blame on that old Brit; he was capable and brave, more so than anyone in that crowd of young Chinese guys and that's what disappoints me.
Others may wish to disparage Chinese people but Chinese people should not ever provide them with such excellent ammunition as this video here.
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In some instances you do not need to know how to swim well especially if the person has just fallen into a swimming pool or reservoir. Teach them not to panic as most people will find it easier to float and by learning to tread water. As a kid i could and when put to the test i floated on my back for nearly two hours. man if only they had waterproof comic books.
The story is fake. Made up by some 公知
I don't know the percentage of people in China who don't know how to swim but I can say to you that even the middle class Hong Kongers couldn't afford to send their children to swimming classes in 70s and 80s.
I don't make a judgement for something that I don't know so I can't say to you if any of them are cowards. However, I can say there are many Chinese that jump into river or sea to save people from drowning. There are ton of reports of these people who save drowning people and even many of them died in result of this.
People good at math look down people bad at math for not trying. People know how to swim look down at people don't know. People play piano and music look down at people don't. People learn martial art look down at people don't. You think resources are unlimited but for most people they have "Priority" and "money issue". What you think is important might not be what others think is important.
It is only an issue because Chinese care too much about what others think. Chinese need to grow some backbone to disregard what some people think about them. Chinese have the tendency to over-hype other people's achievement but downplay their own success. In the old days, it is called humble. In the real world, it is called stupidity. That's why many Chinese end up worshiping the whites or become super sensitivity over minor incident.
solarz
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There's no ammunition here. People reacted the way they normally do when an emergency happens in 30 seconds. Most of the people you are accusing of cowardice would not even have realized what had happened before the british guy jumped in.